Potion Puzzle/loathsome Dursleys/House assignments/Wizards lack logic
Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)
catlady at wicca.net
Mon Dec 2 05:08:48 UTC 2002
No: HPFGUIDX 47576
Scheherazade wrote:
<< if there was only enough potion for one person, how come Quirrel
and Harry had enough to drink? >>
I always assumed that the potion bottles refilled themselves, just as
the chess pieces set themselves up again.
<< whose short posts somehow come out longwinded anyway >>
When the reward for telling the story in such a way that it isn't
finished by sunrise is that you don't get your head cut off, I think
that counts as positive re-inforcement for being longwinded.
Robert Gonzalez wrote:
<< I think Dumbledore knew [growing up with loathsome Dursleys] would
make him humble not pround and cocky. >>
If Dumbledore knew just how badly the Dursleys would treat Harry, it
was foolish or desperate of him to leave Harry there, or wizards'
psychology is different from that of Muggles, dogs, and cats. The
kinds of beings that I know about, bring them up in constant abuse
and no example of goodness, and they grow up either broken terrified
cowards who'll do anything to (something like Pettigrew in GoF) or
cynical tough guys who'll do anything to triumph (something like Tom
Riddle). Neither is good preparation for being a hero to rescue the
wizarding world.
Chthonia wrote:
<< Given that a major theme in the books is that racism and prejudice
are stupid and wrong, isn't this somewhat contradicted by the ways
character traits seem to run in families in the Potterverse? >>
Yes. I suppose this is a case of JKR's message and/or personal
beliefs being swamped by either the plot or the literary form of the
story she's telling or the archetypes that she has, perhaps
unintentionally, invoked.
<< (Should Percy Weasley not have been a Slytherin? ;-) >>
And Hermione been a Ravenclaw -- or another Slytherin, as she is
depicted not merely enjoying to learn stuff, but also ambitious to
learn stuff. If the Sorting Hat doesn't just assign kids to whichever
House they already wanted (we haven't heard from any student who
wanted to be in glorious Gryffindor, with its prestigious reputation,
and instead was put in Slytherin, or Hufflepuff), it must have some
complicated decisions to make.
In Percy's case, I imagine it found him ambitious, and studious, and
rule-biding, and also courageous, and sufficiently honorable that,
push comes to shove, if he had to choose directly between his ethics
and his ambition, he'd choose his ethics.
I suspect that rather than having some magical brain-wave test, it
just ASKS the student which heesh would choose. That could explain
Pettigrew: maybe he *thought* he'd die rather than betray his friends
until the wand was actually at his throat...
<< I wonder if JKR is allowing us to accept all the anti-Slytherin
comments only to turn our own assumptions against us later on... >>
I hope so, but I doubt it.
<< Incidentally, IMO the technology/magic split has a major impact on
the respective social structures. I reckon one of the reasons that
the MoM seems so shambolic (ref earlier discussions on lackadaisical
judicial procedures, etc) is that in a world where physical problems
(such as building structures) can be solved by the wave of a wand,
logical problem solving wasn't that important (hence Hermione's
comment on wizards' lack of logic (PS/SS Chap 16)). The kind of
systematic mindset necessary for efficient organisational structures
just wouldn't evolve, or be valued or taught. >>
I admire this new idea! I never before connected the lack of
engineering with the lack of command-and-control.
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