Mid-Air Collision Required for Priori Incantatem? (WAS: Meaning of OotP

[Steve <bboy_mn@yahoo.com>]

No: HPFGUIDX 48853

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "erisedstraeh2002 
<erisedstraeh2002 at y...>" <erisedstraeh2002 at y...> wrote:
> Steve (bboy_mn)wrote:
> 
> > I like to remind people when this comes up that the Prior 
> > Incantatum effect only occurs when both wizards throw curses at 
> > that same time and those curses collide in mid-air. The collision 
> > of simultaneous curses occurred earlier in Gof between Harry and 
> > Draco. This is the scene where Hermione's teeth were enlarged. Of 
> > course, the Prioir Incantatum effect only occurs with wands that 
> > have the same core.
> 
> Now me:
> 
> In Ch. 36 of GoF, Sirius asks Dumbledore "So what happens when a 
> wand meets its brother?" and Dumbledore responds "They will not work 
> properly against each other...If, however, the owners of the wands 
> force the wands to do battle...a very rare effect will take place.  
> One of the wands will force the other to regurgitate spells it has 
> performed - in reverse."
> 
> I don't read "wands doing battle" as necessarily meaning "curses 
> colliding in mid-air."  
-end Phyllis this part-

bboy_mn replies:
Minor technicality, as interpreted by me, if the curses don't collide 
then it is the wizards doing the battle not the wands. When the curses 
collide, it is the force of one wand against the other wand.

I think the duel between Malfoy and Harry where the curses collided 
and ricocheted off each other was the setup for this. It made us aware 
the this simultaneious curses was an unusual circumstance.
-end this part-

Phyllis continues:
> While Harry and Voldemort's curses in the  graveyard did collide 
> in mid-air, it seems as if there's enough vagueness in Dumbledore's 
> comment to suggest that the priori incantatem can take place 
> without a mid-air curse collision. 
> 
> Moreover, it's only after Harry forces the beads of light back into 
> Voldemort's wand that the spell regurgitation commences.  To me, 
> the "wand battle" that Dumbledore references was when Harry and 
> Voldemort's wands were locked together and Harry, strengthened by
> the phoenix song, forced the beads of light into Voldemort's wand, 
> thereby winning the battle and forcing Voldemort's wand to 
> regurgitate its past spells.
>
> -end Phyllis this part-

bboy_mm respomds:
Believe it or not, I agree with you. When the curses collided and an 
arc of golden light was struck between the wands, that was the 
'Brother Effect'. 

Next came a duel of wizarding power. I believe that neither Harry or 
Voldie understood what was going on, but Voldie clearly felt that if 
he could force the beads of light into Harry's wand, it would 
demonstrate that he was the more powerful wizards. 

Now the Prior Incantatum effect; when Harry force the beads of light 
into Voldemort's wand, the same Prior Incantatum spell we saw 
demonstrated at the World Cup occurred.

So while they can't curse each other in this one simultanious curse 
circumstances, they can curse each other. Voldie cursed Harry several 
times in the graveyard. When Voldie cursed Harry, it was wand against 
wizard, only when they cursed simultaniously was it wand against wand. 
Admittedly, it is the power of the wizards backing up the wands. 
-end this part-

> 
> As for what happens with the wands now...I can't see Voldemort 
> holding on to his wand now that he knows that there's the potential 
> for priori incantatem and thus, the potential that he'll again lose 
> his ability to kill Harry.  So my guess is that Voldemort will get a 
> new wand (I think Harry will hold on to his wand, since he's not 
> striving to kill Voldy.  Unfortunately!).
> 
> ~Phyllis

bboy_mn concludes:
Tuff call. I think Voldie will hold on to his wand and try to find 
some other way out of the 'Brother Wand Effect'. I'm sure once he 
figured it out, he told the Death Eaters that this was again a fluke. 
A random occurance of unlikely circumstances and bad luck that lead 
Harry to defeat and escape him again. 

Trouble with bad guys is, they can never admit when they are wrong. 
More importantly, the can never conceive of the possibility that they 
might be wrong. That always leads to thier doom

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn