Simple spell origin, Krum, Slytherins, Prefects

[melclaros <melclaros@yahoo.com>]

No: HPFGUIDX 48863

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Anne <urbana at c...>" 
<urbana at c...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, kewiromeo at a... wrote:
> > And third on my list is belief that only Slytherin witches and 
> wizards went 
> > bad. Everyone knows that there wasn't a witch or wizard that went 
> bad that 
> > wasn't from Slytherin. This would mean that Wormtail had been 
from 
> Slytherin 
> > or a turncoat against the Gryffindor friends. If not, this would 
> mean that 
> > Remus, James, and Sirius were friends with a Slytherin. So you 
> can't rule out 
> > only Slytherins as being bad. 
> > 
> 
> It was Ron who said, "Everyone knows that there wasn't a witch or 
> wizard that went bad that wasn't from Slytherin."  There are some 
> double negatives piled up in this sentence (which I hope comes from 
> Ron being 11 years old, since I know JKR elucidates things much 
> better than this) but that certainly does sound like "every witch 
or 
> wizard who went bad *was* from Slytherin." However, remember that 
at 
> the time Ron said this, NO ONE in the Wizarding World knew that 
Peter 
> Pettigrew had actually faked his own death and framed Sirius Black 
> for the murder of the group of Muggles. The mass-murder of the 
> Muggles and Pettigrew's "death" were widely known in the WW, and as 
> far as Ron knew, Scabbers was really a rat, not Peter Pettigrew, 
> animagus, in rat form. So as far as everyone knew *at that point* 
> (September 1, 1991 if you follow the HP timeline), no wizards or 
> witches from any houses other than Slyterin had gone bad. Does this 
> make sense? I hope so. As far as I can see, there's no real 
evidence 
> in canon (at least through GoF) that Peter was in Slytherin, so he 
> actually could have been the first Gryffindor (if he was a 
> Gryffindor) to "go bad".
> 
> Anne U
> (who would say "That's my story and I'm sticking to it"... except 
> that Steve already says that;-)


People keep using this to point to Pettigrew as a possible Slyth, 
but, at the time that was said in PS/SS, Sirius was considered to be 
a "wizard who went bad". If anyone's going to use that line of Ron's 
as canon for the 'truth' about Slytherins' characters, doesn't that 
HAVE to mean that Sirius was a Slyth? Now that might explain a lot of 
why Severus hates him so much, house loyalty--how could you turn your 
back on US and hang around with a bunch of Gryffindors? But I really 
think this was just a kid repeating something he overheard somewhere 
*and* probably getting it wrong.

Melpomene