[HPforGrownups] Re: Time Travel in PoA (was: Re: Lupin is James and Time ...

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No: HPFGUIDX 48940

In a message dated 12/29/2002 5:15:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
sharana.geo at yahoo.com writes:

> Although I completely agree with you about viewing things from a 
> different perspective, I uh, I really have trouble seeing how Harry 
> is the *only* person *ever* to cast the Patronus. I mean, the first 
> time he couldn't cast a Patronus BEFORE going back in time. A loop 
> in time doesn't just exist; it must be triggered by some event. The 
> Time-Turner triggers these loops. The moment you use the Time-
> Turner, you generate a loop, it doesn't matter if you are applying 
> theories 1 or 3. If you don't use the Time Turner, you don't create 
> a loop, so how could Harry use the Time-Turner if he "died" before 
> getting the chance to do it. I feel I'm going back to the same 
> problem in Theory 1 which generated Theory 2. Could you please 
> explain this to me?
> 

Well, Here's my attempt to explain it:

I, too, have trouble with the theory that there was always a Harry2 to cast 
the patronus, because he must survive long enough to go back and cast the 
patronus to save himself.  So, Harry in the origional timeline (before all 
the turning) must have somehow survived so he could go back in time and be 
Harry 2.  Therefore, in the origional timeline, Harry must not have died.  
However, timetravel theory says that you can't change events that already 
happened without having unheard of consequences.  Therefore, the 
Lupin/hermione/anyone goes back and saves harry the first time won't work, 
because it would screw everything up.  

(correction on reading this again: it could have been someone else, but then 
we would have to think that events turned out very differently... i.e. maybe 
it was freed!sirius that went back to save harry the first time, being his 
godfather and responsible for harry's well being and all, but his 
interference caused him to be doomed!sirius and be unable to use the 
timeturner, but, luckily, hermione and harry did.  If anyone needs 
clarification on this, i'll post again, but, because i find it unlikely, i'm 
not going to go in depth about it here)

So, since noone but harry can save harry, without messing up the timeline, 
*Harry must have origionally saved Harry.*  Remember, there is no real 
certainty that Harry would have been kissed had there not been a last minute 
Patronus cast from across the lake.  Harry1 could have cast the patronus, 
origionally, right before he was kissed (and right after harry 2 would save 
him later in the loop)

This would not change much in the loop, at least, not enough to prevent harry 
and hermione from using the timeturner and going back to save buckbeak.

-scheherazade, whose head hurts


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