Snape vs. Neville, Dumbledore, Harry

[finwitch]

No: HPFGUIDX 35462

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "tex23236" <jbryson at r...> wrote:
> Pardon me for darkening the discussion a bit, here.  It would be 
> enough to cause some soft-hearted wizard to give Neville an
> obliviate if he *saw* his parents tortured.  But does canon say
> that's all that happened? Remember, LV tried to *kill* little Harry!
> Would the DE's have any more regard for another child?  I think I 
> saw that they Crucio'd Mrs. Longbottom to crack Mr. Longbotttom.
> These folks are kinda creepy. If they would Crucio Mrs. Longbottom
> would they not also Crucio little Neville, still trying to crack his
> father?

Just another thought - Snape may well have been among the cruciating 
group of DEs which is why Neville is so afraid of him. Heck - what if 
the DEs demanded that Snape puts the crucio curse on Neville - (to 
prove his loyalty or some such) - [i]that[/i] would have been the 
reason for him to leave the DEs. Torturing babies... Poor little 
babies who can't even talk! He will NOT go that far! But he's too 
afraid of Voldemort to refuse.

What Neville remembers when with dementors - is Snape puttin crucio 
on him, someone else putting it on his mother, and one more to curse 
his father - all this with Snape's face in front of his face, 
blocking everything else from his sight... no wonder he's scared of 
Snape. And... Harry had overcome Voldemort *before* this - but Snape 
didn't know it, thus making this terrible act to be in vain!

Snape made a confession to Dumbledore and asked for death, but 
Dumbledore would not accept that. - Because he's wise enough to know 
that living with the guilt is worse than anything else and objects to 
death penalty.

That would explain Dumbledore's trust - the confession. He *knows* 
that Snape will not join people who torture babies. Also, why he will 
NOT tell Harry.

Snape, however, though he isn't able to AK himself - and won't get AD 
to do it for him tries to find a way to ease his guilt due some 
punishment - he'll never wash himself for one thing.

Yet, in Harry, Snape sees 'the one who actually defeated someone who 
I feared enough to torture a baby with no effort at all' - and is 
bitter at him. Everytime he sees Neville he remembers *that* night 
again. Neville doesn't remember *that* night knowingly, only deep 
inside, where the core of emotions is...