[HPforGrownups] Pettigrew & an accomplice

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No: HPFGUIDX 35815



> Adhara writes:
> I can't work out how they would use Sirius' wand as
> evidence. As far as we know, Priori Incantatem only
> works when two wands with a feather from the same
> animal are used against each other (GoF page 605)
> (unless it is known who has a wand similar to his).
> Suggestions?
> 

That's 'Priori Incantatem'.  'Priori Incantato' is the spell used by (I 
think) Amos Diggory to prove that Harry's wand cast the Dark Mark at the 
World Cup.

Jennifer: 

>Some recent posts have theorized that Pettigrew had an accomplice 
>help him frame Sirius by altering wands and/or hiding Voldemort's 
>wand for him.  (Fudge being the favorite suspect of the moment.)  I 
>don't think an accomplice was necessary or wise.

>Why wasn't an accomplice necessary?  On the surface, the evidence 
>against Sirius was so overwhelming that no one felt it necessary to 
>really investigate.  Dumbledore himself testified that Sirius was the 
>Potter's secret-keeper, and a street full of Muggles said that 
>they "saw" the dead sexy guy blow up the street, killing the tiny  
>guy and 12 others.  We know that Fudge, as part of the Department of 
>Magical Catastrophes, was "one of the first on the scene."  IMO, 
>Fudge is an imcompetent idiot rather than a covert DE.  If you assume 
>for a moment that he IS an idiot, it isn't hard to imagine that when 
>he questioned the Muggle witnesses, he probably failed to ask the 
>crucial questions.  (Like, "Did the short guy have a wand behind his 
>back?" or "Did the dark-haired guy move his wand just before the 
explosion?")  We also know that Crouch sent Sirius to Azkaban without 
>a trial, so there was never an opportunity to REALLY examine the 
>evidence.  Sirius's wand didn't need to be altered because no one 
>ever felt the need to PI it.

Eloise 

>The reason why some of us think an accomplice is necessary is that Peter's 
plan >was so unlikely to succeed. If Sirius had kept his head, it could have 
been cleared >up, partially by PI'ing his wand. He knew what Peter had done. 
If he had got word of >it to Dumbledore, he would have had a powerful ally on 
his side. Instead, he >(understandably) went to pieces and apparently 
confessed, not just in front of >muggles but in front of ministry officials. 
Pettigrew could *not* assume that the >wands would not have been tested. It 
was a plan as full of holes as a Swiss >cheese.

Jennifer:

>Why wasn't an accomplice wise?  At that point in time, Voldemort had 
>just been virtually destroyed at the Potter's house.  As Sirius says 
>to Peter in PoA, 

>"You haven't been hiding from *me* for twelve years, you've been 
>hiding from Voldemort's old supporters.  I heard things in Azkaban, 
>Peter...They all think you're dead, or you'd have to answer to 
>them...I've heard them screaming all sorts of things in their sleep.  
>Sounds like they think the double-crosser double-crossed them.  
>Voldemort went to the Potters' on your information... and Voldemort 
>met his downfall there.  And not all of Voldemort's supporters ended 
>up in Azkaban, did they? ...If they ever got wind that you were still 
>alive, Peter--"

>In that atmosphere, there is NO WAY Peter could have apparated over 
>to another DE and said, "Hi. I'm in a bit of a jam and could use your 
>help."

Eloise. 

Very good point, *If Fudge was an evil DE*, but I think that what both 
Dicentra and I are saying is that he is an *evil accomplice*
I don't think he's stayed loyal to Voldemort. ( see my last post)

Jennifer:


>What happened to Sirius's wand?  Fudge and the other MOM wizards took 
>it (can't let a prisoner have a weapon) and kept it as evidence.  
>Unfortunately, they never used it as evidence.  

Eloise:

Yep. Or in our version, the evidence was supressed ( or destroyed)

Jennifer:

>What happened to Peter's wand?  I'm guessing he left it behind as 
>evidence he was dead.  I think this because Peter doesn't seem to 
>have a wand anymore when we finally meet him in the Shreiking Shack.  
>If he had one, he would have pulled it out when Lupin transformed 
>into a werewolf, rather than grabbing Lupin's off the ground.  Peter 
>still doesn't have one in GoF; he uses Voldemort's to AK Cedric.

Eloise:

Exactly. This is where I came in. Peter's wand disappears. Fudge *tells* us 
what is left of Peter: Blood-stained robes and a few fragments. * No wand*.

Eloise, who seems to be repeating herself rather a lot lately, and assumes 
that  it's because her original Evil Fudge post went out with the wrong title 
( I hit the Send Now button accidentally!)



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