Ginny & Hermione (small bit on SHIPs)

[Penny & Bryce]

No: HPFGUIDX 32804

Hi --

charisjulia wrote:


> Why would you think Ginny doesn't have enough "oomph"? Do you
> think perhaps you're undermining her a bit?

Nope.  As far as canon Ginny is concerned, she's just a background 
character we don't know much about.  Doesn't mean JKR can't or won't do 
more with her, but *for now,* the fact is that Hermione *is* the only 
female character strong enough to be the love interest of the hero. 
IMHO of course.

 > By the way, is it my imagination or has anyone else noticed that
> Ginny and Hermione seem to be much closer in GoF? Ginny did know
> about Hermione going to the Ball with Krum when the boys didn't and
> they seem to be spending much more time together too.

I don't see that they are spending "much more time" together.  They are 
forced to spend some time together by virtue of being the only girls in 
a sea of boys at the Burrow & at the QWC.  She does know about 
Hermione's date, which indicates some amount of friendship between the 
two girls, presumably anyway.  But, as of now, we don't have evidence of 
exactly how much.  We also don't really know *how* Ginny came by this 
information.  What if she was eavesdropping & overheard Hermione telling 
Seamus Finnegan?  What if she overheard Hermione's conversation with 
Neville for that matter?  Just a few possibilities that don't involve 
any sort of friendship between the girls.  There's also nothing 
textually to say that Neville isn't the one who informed Ginny of 
Hermione having a date.

> 
>       Another thing that one has to consider is that Ginny has a
> mother in Molly Weasley, a woman whose life is her family. Ginny must
> obviously be affected by this. After all she was the last Weasley kid
> to leave the home and therefore the one that, out of the youngest at
> least, has spent the most time with Molly.

She spent the same amount of time with Molly as all the other kids, 
right?  Mathematics isn't my strong suit, but didn't they all spend 
10.5/11 yrs with their mother before leaving for Hogwarts?  Being the 
youngest doesn't translate into *more* time, just different time.  :--)

 Plus M. was really her
> only female role model till she went to Hogwarts. If Harry were to
> need a shoulder to cry on (by the way great point about him needing
> to learn to be weak. I'd never realized: Harry never cries!) wouldn't
> a "people" person like Molly and therefore Ginny be more appropriate
> than an "achievement" person like Hermione?

Hermione-the-Crusader for House Elves & the giants & the downtrodden not 
a "people" person?  I beg to differ.  <g>  Seriously, Hermione is 
showing more & more of a heart as the books progress; as Hagrid says in 
PoA, Hermione has her heart in the right place.  She also is the first 
female to hug Harry in a non-motherly way in PS/SS (Harry thinks to 
himself that Mrs. Weasley's GoF hug is motherly; he obviously doesn't 
think of Hermione's hug from 3 yrs earlier quite in the same vein, eh?). 
  She is also presumably the first girl to kiss him, even if it is a 
peck on the cheek & might well be only sisterly.  It is still 
affectionate.  It still shows Hermione's warmth & humanity.


But I do think that she needs to shine in her own right
> too, not just "stand by her man". And this of course is no bad thing.
> Quite the opposite!!! It just perhaps does not make her a good
> romance choice for a boy starved of love, as it were.

Harry needs a little woman to just "stand by his side" then?  Harumph. 
We have a very different idea of what *Harry* might need then.

> 
> I think Hermione would be much more suited to Ron. He'd just look on
> with an amused look on his face as far as his "girlfriend's"(!)
> escapades were concerned and also help to knock some realism into her
> head once in a while.

Or, perhaps he'd express his prejudices some more & they'd kill each 
other in the resulting fracas?  :--)   Sorry, couldn't resist.  Yeah, I 
don't see it quite like that, but that's okay.  We each have our own 
idea of what a romance ought to be, for ourselves & for others.  I'll 
skip the non-stop bickering & arguing myself (and I wouldn't wish it on 
Hermione either).

Penny