Neville's role
grey_wolf_c
greywolf1 at jazzfree.com
Sat Jan 5 09:58:43 UTC 2002
No: HPFGUIDX 32816
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., Jennifer Boggess Ramon <boggles at e...> wrote:
>Th. 2: Neville's role in the books
><snip: my yellow-bird theory>
> I find this unconvincing, for a number of reasons:
>
> (1) There's no such thing as "Oriental mythology;" there's Chinese,
> Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, etc. mythology. The dragons of
> these mythologies are related, as are the dragons of the Western
> mythologies, but they're not all the same, just as a dragon in the
> ancient Greek myths is not the same as the one in the legend of St.
> George.
My sources in this case are not the best authority in mythology, but
making a little investigation, I arrive to the conclusion that the
legend is part of the Japanese folklore. I said "Oriental" mythology
to place more or less the legend in it's proper place, since I didn't
have the sources with me at that moment.
> (2) In many Chinese dragon tales, at least, the enemy of the dragon
> is the phoenix (itself different from the Western one). Different
> dragons have different enemies. I've never heard the "yellow bird"
> theory, so I suspect it's attached to a particular strain of Eastern
> dragon.
The quote is (translated by me) "the dragon fears only one animal, the
small yellow bird, for only that small bird is capable of killing him".
I think it's an allegory about how small things can overcome poweful
beings, which is why I used it in the first place.
> (3) Most of the dragons of the Far East are not evil. (As a
> dedicated dragon fan, I would stop here and point out that many of
> the dragons of the West are also not evil, but unfortunately that
> does not hold in Britain, so I'll skip it.)
Interestingly enough, we've got no dragons in my country's folklore,
even though it's in Europe. Anyway, I never said that dragons are evil
(or good; it's irrelevant for the theory). If you're offended by me
drawing a pararelism between Draco and dragons, sorry, but it fit's
quite well.
> (4) While the snakelike, wingless dragon with the forked horns and
> the mane is often called "Draco orientis" in the faux-Linnean
> classification of dragon fans, if Draco had been named after it, his
> name would be Lung. He is almost certainly named after "Draco
> europa". (Although perhaps we should re-vamp the species names after
> the species given in FBaWTFT - Draco hebrideae, Draco norweii,
> Quetzalcoatlus peruvii, Lunga sinesis, etc. Yes, my dog-Latin is
> bad, but so is it on most genus-species names.)
Canon says Draco's name means dragon (PS/SS). This is the true origin
of the pararelism of my theory. Nothing else was intended.
> (5) There's no connection between yellow birds and any of the the
> European dragons.
I didn't know that. But then again, I never said that, either.
> Okay, so I'm a dragon geek. Sorry about that . . .
> - Boggles, aka J. C. B. Ramon
Nah, don't woory. I'm a (Tolkien's) dwarf fan myself
Hope that clears thing a bit,
Grey Wolf
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