Time Turner Q, Teaching Potions, McGonagal's Teaching, Making a Portkey

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No: HPFGUIDX 33087

YET ANOTHER TIME TURNER Q:

Seiryuu wrote:
> But when Harry sees himself, he is not startled; he is just 
> reminded of his father, James. 
It is BECAUSE he *saw his father* that he was not startled, if he had recognised himself he probably would have been startled. And it is very likely that Harry (if this had been real) would have confused himself for his father:
1. He looks a lot like his dad.
2. It was across the lake (quite a big distance I should think)
3. It was dark and Harry 2 was only lit up by the stag.
4. Harry 1's vision was clouding over (by the Dementors), 
(5. Perhaps he even *wanted* to see his dad which altered how he saw things).
It is not really a surprise that he thought it was his dad.
He is not really reminded of his father so much as thinking he did actually see him and that it was him. If you were in this situation and you looked a lot like your Mum/Dad you would probably think the same thing.

> So if you know what to look for, why would you be scared by the
> Time-Turnered second person?  If Hermione saw herself sitting at a > desk, for instance, wouldn't she think "Oh crap, I've messed up 
> with the Time Turner. Better get out of this room," instead of 
> "It's Dark Arts! Die!!"?
Hermione may not have been worried about seeing herself, she was more worried about Harry 1 seeing Harry 2. Hermione 1 might have known about the time turner and ignored Hermione 2 but (at the time) Harry 1, Ron and even Hagrid did NOT know about the TT and probably would have reacted in the same way as Hermione 2 describes.

Also your presumption is only in Hermione's case. There could well be other people who have travelled back to a time where they didn't know about the time turner and have then scene themselves, this would result in the same thing as Hermione described.

> So there can't be too harsh consequences for being seen while TTed > (Harry doesn't seem to come out of it any worse), why do people 
> who use it worry about it? The only thing to worry about is being 
> seen at the same time by the same person.
Yes but that is because he didn't think it was himself, he thought it was someone else (his dad). Because of this he didn't *go mad*, *kill himself* or any of those other things that Hermione mentions, because he didn't think it was dark magic because as far *as he knows* there are not two of him in the same area.

> Point: When Hermione pulls Harry back, Hagrid appears, and heads 
> towards the castle.  If Harry _was_ seen, how would that have 
> changed the past?  It's the same predicament as Hermione using the 
> TT to go to 2 classes.  Sure, they would have been slowed down, 
> but nothing catastrophic would have happened.
This could have been bad for another reason, I think Dumbledore tells them not to be seen on three counts:
1) Don't be seen by yourself:
For the reasons that Hermione states, going mad, killing past/future self etc.

2) Messing with time is against the law.
If say Hagrid (as you suggested) did see them, then he accidentally mentions to Snape/Fudge that he saw them, they might put two and two together and think "huh, they were in the shack at that time" now Snape may not know the significance of this but Fudge would (being the Minister of Magic he may know that Hermione has the TT) and he would be slightly puzzled by them being in two places at once, this could result in some rather difficult questions being asked even if he doesn't know about the TT.

3) It may mess up saving Sirius.
Again as an example Hagrid mentions to Snape that he saw them and then Snape has evidence that they were somehow in tow places at once and so could well have had something to do with saving Sirius. Even if he doesn't know about the TT (and it is unlikely that he does) he could presume they were suing some sort of time travel device. Again it would lead to very awkward questions.

I haven't explained those very well but I hope you get my meaning (2 and 3 are very closely related)


The precautions they have to take don't just relate to the law but to situations that could arise from being seen by other people that may have nothing to do with the law (e.g. Snape realising that they did save Sirius because of what person X tells him).

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TEACHING POTIONS:

Elizabeth Dalton 
> And though we see various instances of kids using charms or spells 
> like Accio to do things on their own time, no one (again, except 
> Hermione) ever seems to make a potion for any purpose of their 
> own

Fred and George use a potion. When they want to age themselves to get into the Goblet, they use an Ageing Potion. It is also the first thing they think of, they don't think of charms etc first they go straight to the potion.

In reply to an un-named person saying that they didn't use potions in the TWT. Elizabeth wrote:
> Because none of them were supposed to know there  *were* 
> dragons in the first task! Showing up prepared with an 
> anti-dragon potion would be a bit much, I think.

Well couldn't the same apply to Harry and Cedric then, they didn't use potions because it would have given it away a bit.
I also ask about the other tasks, you only address the first task. Why then didn't Krum or Fluer use a potion in the second task? Or in their preparations for the third task, you can't argue that they didn't know what was coming in the second task as most of them worked it out (Krum certainly had enough time to think about potions).

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MCGONAGAL IS A "BAD" TEACHER:

As a quick reference to however said that McGonagall is not as good a teacher as everyone seems to think on the basis (mainly) that on ones ever seems to use transfiguration to solve problems:
I can't actually think of anywhere in the books where Harry, Ron and Hermione would need to use transfiguration to solve a problem, if you can think of somewhere please tell me

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HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE A PORTKEY?

Tabouli wrote:
> I think we have to assume that making a Portkey is a long and 
> difficult process, otherwise it opens up too many plot holes, not > the least of which is the infamous Crouch/Moody and Harry 
> situation.
I don't think it cane be that long as there is a quote at the end of GoF that states otherwise:
"Then Dumbledore said, 'And Tonight...'
'I offered to carry the Triwizard Cup into the maze before Dinner,' whispered Bart Crouch. 'Turned it into a Portkey.' "
(GoF Pg 600 UK)
That implies to me that it can't take too long to turn something into a portkey.

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