H/H/G Love Triangle, Vampires, Snape and Ron, Oh My!

[Hikaru]

No: HPFGUIDX 33099

Gah O_o so many posts, so little time. I've tried to arrange these by
content. I hope I'm not repeating anything that has already been said,
seeing as I've been following these threads pretty tightly to make
sure, but you never know...


Ron/Hermione/Harry/Cho "Rabu-Rabu" (love love) -

Ebony said:
> I read PS/SS and PoA all in one weekend, back to back... and the
> seeds were planted for my current state as H/H cheerleader.  I had
> what was then the canon to date read, and I remember hearing the
> fourth book rumors and thinking very vague thoughts of "oh Lord,
> anyone but Cho".  At the time I didn't care half as much about
> shipping as I do now, and goodness knows I never thought I'd spend
> this much time in an attempt to justify how I came up with my ship...
> I was active around the fandom for nearly six months before December
> 2000 rolled around and I jumped into the shipper fray for good.

I had to resist throwing the book around whenever Harry got all
googly-eyed with Cho around. I mean, she's great and all, but Harry--
Harry... You only liked her because she was cute! I think this is one
of those times that JKR is trying to teach us a lesson: Looks don't
mean everything! That is why, I believe, that Hermione *had* that
physical flaw of her teeth until GoF. During GoF, the students who are
directly involved with Harry's life mature- and the change of Hermione
physical appearance just adds to her maturity during the book. Appeal
to the two boys? Yes, indeed she did that night at the ball. Something
is beginning with the three friends--

Penny Said:
> I don't know that the generalities really hold in terms of the age of
> the various shipper factions.  It seemed to me that many of the 14/15
yr
> olds do think that Hermione likes Harry, but then, I don't think the
H/H
> ship is confined strictly to the younger set.  <g>
>
> But, yes, there's certainly potential for conflict if Harry even
> *thinks* that Hermione likes him.  There's even more potential for
> conflict if *Ron* is the one with the wrong idea.  Yes?

Even more thought provoking is the theory that we have a triangle
forming between Ron, Harry and Hermione. There is blatant evidence in
GoF that Ron likes Hermione, however odd it is. Yes, he is jealous over
the attention Hermione is giving to Krum instead of him, but the ball
stays vivid in my mind. Even considering that Ron was bitter he didn't
get a "decent" date, he was extremely upset about Hermione-- and I
believe that Hermione was let down that neither Harry OR Ron had asked
her to be their date (although I believe she would have said no-- more
about that later). It is also apparent that Hermione likes Harry;
examples being the goodbye kiss, and just the fact that she didn't hang
with Ron as much when H and R had their fight in GoF.

Hermione, from the way JKR is building it up, is becoming a sort of
third wheel in their little group; and I also believe Hermione
understands this. She can't get romantically involved with Ron without
making Harry jealous or uncomfortable; vice versa if she went out with
Harry. She is torn, because it is very obvious that she has very
*strong* feelings for one of them, or both of them even (Hermione, you
little flirt ^_~). This is why she goes to the ball with Krum instead
of those two-- she didn't wait for one them to ask, or ask one of them
herself. However, the ball could also be interpreted as Hermione trying
to make Harry/Ron notice her, seeing as she dresses up quite nicely for
Krum, and is not ashamed of showing Harry/Ron how much fun she is
having, while they are loathing the ball because of their last-minute
dates.

The fact is, we could probably argue about this forever until the end
of the series finally brings a conclusion to these SHIPS (as the
epilogue is supposed to explain who ends up with who), but I believe
that Harry and Hermione will end up together in a James and Lily
Fashion. Like father, like son... more about this in the Ron part of
this post....

Gah... head hurts o_O Next subject...


Ron in the Future -

Bobby said:
>One more note dealing with the Imperius Curse and Ron's
> character.  Moody specifically states that it takes a "lot of
> character" to throw off the Imperius Curse, and compares your ability
> to throw off the Imperius Curse directly with the amount of character
> you have.  He does NOT mention at any time that the ability to throw
> off the Imperius Curse is at all related to DADA ability, only
> character.  Now, character is a nebulous term to begin with, I
> suppose, but I take character to mean all that good stuff like
> loyalty, integrity, honesty, etc.  Given this (which you may not
> agree with), and considering that Ron had a very "difficult time"
> throwing off the Imperius Curse, does this forshadow an eventual
> betrayal by Ron, intentionally or not?  My gut says no, but I think
> it's an interesting bit of foreshadowing that is not there for no
> reason.  All thoughts are appreciated.
>

Well it's good to know I'm not the only one who believes this! I think
the entire HP series is kind of a like-father, like-son type of story,
that Harry will astray from in the end.

Why is this relevant to Ron betraying Harry?

If you examine the facts from a Snape-liked-Lily POV, we can begin to
see the similarities between James and Harry. If Ron indeed likes
Hermione (which I doubt can really be denied now), then if Hermione end
up liking/loving Harry in a James and Lily like fashion, then the
chance that Ron might betray Harry because of his jealousy, rises
extremely.

As his actions have shown in the past, Ron doesn't take lightly to
other men touching Hermione, which could lead to a sticky situation if
a H/H relationship does happen. Much like the if Snape-liked-Lily
theory, Ron would probably grow bitter towards Harry as Snape was
bitter to James. Expanding on this further could be the fact that (I
feel) that Snape was always left out of lime-light, as Ron is-- while
James was Head-Boy, on the Quidditch team, etc., etc. which is
basically Harry's reality now. I fully expect that Ron's bitterness
(shown in GoF) towards Harry and his popularity is far from being over-
and with LV on the rise, I would not be surprised if Ron ends up
running to LV for a solution for his problem, just as Snape did.


Snape's Ways -

sophineclaire said:
> > Is Snape a vampire? kidding!!!!  ;-) My real question:
> >
>
>
> The more I hear it, they more I wonder. Asides from the stereotypical
> appearance ( The hair, the skin, the late noght prowling), there
> maybe some hints ( or tricks ) in the story.
>    This arguement was in the groups.google.com, in the Harry Potter
> discussion group. In POA, Severus directs the attention of the DADA
> class that he is subbing to how to deal with Werewolves. When Lupin
> returned, he changed the essay to one on vampires and mentions that
> fact to Harry in front of Snape.
>    We know that it isn't beyond Snape to do something like that and
> Lupin was probably reverting to marauder mode. It would be intersting
> to see it Snape is a full or even a half-blooded Vampire, but JKR is
> known for her plot twists.

As much as I would love Snape to be a vampire (I have this vampire
fetish... mmm Anne Rice...), I think the facts are kind of stacked
against that fact. Snape goes outside during Quidditch matches, in the
sun-- bad for vampires. In fact, in most legends, vampires disintegrate
when sunlight touches their skin; or at least causes extreme pain. I
highly doubt Snape could have cast that protection spell on Harry (as Q
was trying to kill him in PS/SS) while in extreme pain caused by the
sun burning his skin.

The other point I must focus on is again in PS/SS, where Harry sees
blood on Snape's leg, and the fact that he limps for a little while. If
Snape was a full-fledged vampire, his wound would have healed VERY
quickly, if not instantly. I think this is just a ship that has been
created for more of a comedic POV of Snape than anything... honestly,
anyone could be a Goth and prowl at night... it's part of Snape's charm
^_~

Marianne said:
> Yes, Snape may be trying to further prepare his students to face the
> dangerous real world.  But, if that's the case, why does he insist on
> trying to use identical methods to motivate all his students?  Surely
> a mark of a good teacher is to realize that not all students respond
> to the same things.  Some students want to learn, period, and will
> always apply themselves.  Some don't care, some will understand with
> extra help, etc.  By essentially treating all his students in the
> same way I think Snape does them a disservice.
>

Snape acts like most teachers in real world high schools, I believe.
Snape is partial to his house (or a real world look would be the
students who are "popular" or "preps"), because of his ties with LV
still. I mean, I know he's trying to let go of that part of his past,
but one can't help but wonder why he favors Malfoy so much, when we all
know that Lucius Malfoy and his wife are both DE. He knew most of the
children's parents during his school days seeing that he was in the
house of S house as well. Besides, he detests Harry and anyone
associated with Harry because it's well-- Harry. The whole
"James-look-alike" factor of Harry's appearance drives Snape to be mean
to Harry and his friends, as he was mean to James and his friends.


Growing Up In Other Hands -

Catlady said:
> Either Dumbledore didn't realize just how bad the Dursleys were, and
> didn't check up on them over the years, or he WAS an accessory to
> child abuse. Dumbledore is not all-knowing: he was deceived by
> fake-Moody for a whole school year, so he could have been wrong about
> the Dursleys. On the other hand, he made have known that they would
> mistreat Harry and try to beat the magic out of him, and calculated
> that that upbringing would give Harry character traits (independent,
> lonely, self-reliant, untrusting, humble, thirsty to prove himself,
> ignorant of wizarding world) that he would need to carry out his
> destiny.
>

Dumbledore was warned by Mrs. M before he left Harry on the Dursley's
doorsteps. I believe he knew exactly of how they were, especially
Petunia's bitterness towards her sister. I'm sure Lily would have
conveyed this to Dumbledore at some point (since evidence in PoA shows
that Dumbledore was close to the Potters before the accident). I think
Dumbledore knew that Harry would grow up to be a better person at the
Dursley's-- after all, look at Cinderella (hehe, Dumbledore-like theory
right there o_O)

It's hard to imagine what could have happened if Harry was raised by
Sirius or someone else (as many fanfictions are based off of). It's
hard to deny that Harry, knowing what he was and about his extreme
popularity, would have grown up to be a Draco *wince* and probably
ended up in the house of S when sorted-- changing the whole HP-verse.
As much as I would have loved seeing Harry end up with Sirius, we can't
deny that Harry wouldn't be the same Harry that exists because of his
up-bringing in the Dursley house.


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