[HPforGrownups] Re: Draco Draco Draco

[heidi tandy]

No: HPFGUIDX 34027

Quickly, as I am running out...

--- btk6y <btk6y at virginia.edu> wrote:
> There is absolutely no concrete evidence in the
> books to suggest that 
> Draco was injured in anyway after the
> ferret-bouncing incident.  
Yes, there is. 
"He got to his feet, wincing."
Expression of pain = evidence that he was in pain.
Later... "Malfoy flushed with anger, but apparently
the memory of Moodys punishment was still
sufficiently painful to stop him from retorting."
Sufficiently painful. Could mean emotionally, could
mean physically. But I lean towards *both*. 

He wouldn't be in pain if he wasn't at least a bit
injured. And of course, in PoA, he was injured - he
was bleeding all over the place after Buckbeak gashed
him, so it's obvious that he'd be taken to the
infirmiry. I agree that he was probably very
embarassed, but we also know from FBAWTFT that when
someone is transfigured into an animal, the have the
consciousness of that animal, so I doubt that Draco
was completely clear on what had just happened to him.



> If 
> he was, don't you think he would have insisted on
> going to the 
> infirmary instead of going with Moody to see Snape? 
> Remember, this 
> is the same Draco that faked the severity of his arm
> injury from 
> Buckbeak to get Hagrid canned.  Don't you think he
> would have done 
> the same to Moody if he were hurt in the slightest
> way?  
IMHO, no. 
He's freaked enough by Moody later in the term that
the mention of Moody is enough to make him go "pale
and jump... backward, looking wildly around for Moody,
[who] was still up at the staff table, finishing his
stew."
This is one teacher he's not getting cosy with, or
talking back to. 
> 
> >And as a side note, many don't 
> >agree that Draco deserved it, pointing to his
> reasonably good 
> >performance at the 2nd year Dueling Club and again
> his aim where the 
> >curse bounced off Harry's outside Potions later in
> 4th year as 
> >evidene that He Missed On Purpose and was trying to
> get Harry's 
> >attention rather than actually curse him. 
> 
> Again, this is pure conjecture.  

I don't deny it. But it is conjecture with evidentiary
support, and it's a perfectly reasonable conjecture.
Most of our conclusions about the books are, since the
canon is still incredibly open. Nothing's set in
stone, but we are moving through the mire of
possibilities.  


> Has she given you any reason thus far to
> believe that Draco 
> would show mercy on Harry by not attacking him from
> behind?  Is there 
> anything in Draco's character to convince you he was
> trying to 
> just "get Harry's attention" rather than inflict
> injury?  
Well, he didn't turn Harry, Ron and Hermione over to
the death eaters at the World Cup; in fact he told
them to get out of the way. And he waits until Harry
is ready before throwing a curse at him when they
fight outside Potions class. So, well, yeah.

> Keep in 
> mind, this is a boy who was thrilled when the
> Basilisk nearly killed 
> 3 or 4 students in year 2 and shows no remorse for
> the death of 
> Cedric.  

Well, he *did* stand and toast Cedric at the leaving
feast, although he didn't stand for Harry. His
comments on the train leave much to be desired in the
realm of tact, but they were accurate. Diggory was the
first person killed by Voldemort after his return. His
phrasing was pathetic, but there was nothing
inaccurate in what he was saying. And I don';t think
it has anything to do wiht remorse. What has *he* to
be remorseful for, regarding Cedric? Nothing. He
certainly wasn't involved with it, the way Harry
was...
unwittingly, of course, but still.

> I would submit that Draco has no concept of
> right or wrong 
I think his Right and Wrong are jumbled, because just
as I quoted Darcy's speech before, being left to
follow the principles taught by one's parents in pride
and conceit can mess anyone up - but not in an
unmodifyable manner. At least not at this point in
Draco's life.

heidi
http://www.fictionalley.org

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