Evil Ginny /Re: Harry & Ginny, magic from Vmort? (now more ship)

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> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "uncmark" <uncmark at y...> wrote:
>  
> > A subplot for the 5th book might be Vmort tempting both Harry and 
> > Ginny that their powers come from him? Would they stop fighting? 
> > Would they lean on each other without the giggling hero worship 
of C of S? Any thoughts?

And "ladjables" wrote:

<snip some Ginny/Harry, Ginny as the "betraying Weasley" discussion>

Never mind 
> Ginny was already possessed by Tom Riddle; this time she could 
choose 
> to side with Lord V and exploit whatever magical talent she has.  
> Reminds me somewhat of Lloyd Alexander's Prydain chronicles, where 
> the Princess Eilonwy has to choose between her magical heritage, 
> which is controlled by her evil enchantres aunt Achren,  and her 
> friend the Assistant Pig-Keeper Taran.  So how about it, evil Ginny 
> anyone?!


Hmmm, this Ginny's and Harry's powers came from Voldy business is 
interesting.  I must say that the idea that Ginny could stand beside 
Harry without hero worship is the most vitalizing thing I've heard in 
awhile in terms of discussion.  And it starts to make sense to me, 
too.  You see, for just about always, I've been a R/H, H/G shipper.  
It just FEELS right to me.  Please, world of fans, do not throw 
evidence at me to try to talk me out of it.  I've read a LOT on this, 
and am still convinced of my own current thoughts on the matter.  
Now, I hadn't really thought about Ginny's and Harry's connection to 
Voldemort which only strengthens my opinion that they will end up 
with each other.  I mean, think of it, Harry and Ginny are the only 
two students to come face-to-face with Voldemort in recent years (I 
believe, in some incarnation or another), aside from Cedric who 
didn't survive the encounter and didn't really ENCOUNTER Voldemort 
the way Harry and Ginny did.

I guess I see Harry coming out of the Cho thing a little in OotP 
(God, I need that book), and getting with Ginny somewhere in six.  I 
cite Ginny's apparent jealousy when she hears Harry is going out with 
a Patil (I forget which) to the Ball, and I believe her hero worship 
is becoming more like true confidece and is now more rooted in 
Harry's true personality.  Point taken, however, that dynamic of HRH 
is MASSIVELY changed if such a thing occurs.  Point also taken that 
Neville deserves a girl like Ginny.  AND point taken (from myself, 
perhaps though I'm CERTAIN it's been brought up on this board) that 
this is a story about Harry, who has always been alone, and perhaps 
needs always to be alone in some sense for the sake of the story.  
However, Harry needs a soul to confess too.  He's filled up with 
things no fifteen-year-old (as he soon will be) should have to be 
filled up with.  Only Ginny even begins to comprehend the Dark Lord 
and what encountering him is like.  Ginny will be a sympathetic ear 
for him (can't you see the private, seems-like-chance encounter in a 
dark, fire-lit, but otherwise dark and empty, Gryffindor common room 
as they both wake from a bad dream, maybe the same bad dream? can't 
you just see them bareing their hearts about meeting Voldemort? can't 
you see the tears in Harry's eyes when he talks about Voldemort/his 
parents mirrored by those tears in Ginny's eyes? can't you see the 
inevitable embrace--perhaps the beginning of their relationship? it 
will be damned heart-wrenching), and may help him, in some way or 
another, in one of Harry's future encounters with Voldemort.  And 
THAT will be a sight to behold (or at least envision).  Besides, if 
any of HRH gets in a relationship with anyone (most especially if 
Hermione and Ron do with each other), the dynamic is going to be 
changed no matter what.  At that point, Harry might feel somewhat 
jealous of their more intimate bond and feel he needs someone 
himself.  I also like the idea that H/R, H/G leads them all to be 
members of one family.  One final thing: I don't believe Ginny can 
turn evil.  This is mostly a gut feeling, but remember in PoA when 
the Dementor on the train made Harry faint and caused Ginny to "shake 
like mad" and cry.  To me, someone who has memories so 
sad/frightening (and probably connected with Voldemort in both H's 
and G's case) is not likely to link up with the cause that created 
them.  I'd also say this points at another H/G connection, but enough 
about that.  *takes deep breath*

So sorry for that rambling.  But it is fun to let the dam break and 
put forth so much thought at once.  Anyway, I am VERY intrigued by 
this new Harry/Ginny connection (at least "new" in my own mind), and 
I now believe that such a connection coming up in a future book is 
inevitable.  I love the idea of Voldy tempting both of them, talking 
about their survival of his attempt at their lives, saying how 
powerful they were to resist him, why not join the cause?, and then 
both of them rejecting him and taking up arms (wands).  Such a thing, 
I believe, might happen in Book Six or so, with H/G eventually 
overwhelmed but some character sacrificing themself (Hagrid?) to save 
them.  I know this is all pretty far-fetched but I'm all of a flutter 
with these ideas.  Why, oh why, Ms. Rowling must you kill me slowly 
with the lack of a new book for nigh on two years?  Has anyone read 
anything recently to suggest a release date?  Bloomsbury says 
something like "In a perfect world, it would be July, 2002 but don't 
hold us to it."  God, I'm so desperate.  I think I must write another 
post after this one talking about future books.  So if you'll excuse 
me a minute while I organize my thoughts to write another demented 
post...

Thank you to everyone who wrote about Imperius and Moody/Crouch, most 
especially Elkins (*waves shyly back at fellow newbie though Elkins 
probably no longer is*) who convinced me (although I still think 
Crouch would have told Voldemort despite it not making a long-run 
difference in terms of Harry's fate) that Crouch's teaching Harry 
made sense.  And yes, perhaps breaking Imperius is possible for all, 
but Harry must have an absolutely INSANE amount of innate talent on 
the issue.  Crouch Sr. and Crouch Jr. fought the curse for months and 
years, respectively, and Harry almost casts it off on his first go-
round?  Amazing!  Now I actually am leaving...

Devin