Royal Family only for muggles?

alhewison Ali at zymurgy.org
Sat Jul 6 22:14:05 UTC 2002


No: HPFGUIDX 40861

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "davewitley" <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
SNIP

> OK, there are two questions here.  First, the royal family.  It 
seems pretty clear that the wizarding world is politically fairly 
closely  aligned with the Muggle one.  The Minister for Magic is 
understood to  be the UK such.  There are some misaligments: 
Transylvania has its own (national) Quidditch team, but in the main, 
countries are the  same.  (It's even possible that Transylvania holds 
a similar position to Scotland and England as a 'nation'.)

> Furthermore, there is a some sort of official link between the UK 
> prime minister (PM) and the MOM (see the Daily Prophet on the 
Knight Bus in POA).  The split between Muggle and Magical worlds is 
> therefore not complete even at the time of the books.
> 
> I would say it's most likely therefore that UK wizards regard 
> themselves as British (or at least Welsh, Irish, etc.) and see the 
> Queen as head of state.  But, like most British people, they don't 
> pay any attention to the royal family in day to day life, except on 
> the odd special occasion.
> 

 David

I fully agree with this line of reasoning, and there is canon to 
support the idea that the British WW see the Queen as its head of 
state. When Crouch-Moody places Harry's class under the Imperius 
Curse, "Dean Thomas hopped three times around the room, singing the 
national anthem". GoF p.203 UK Hardback edition. IMO this national 
anthem MUST be the British Muggle one, or it would have been signed 
posted as the WW national anthem for us Muggles to understand that 
there is a separate one (Harry would notice this, just like Wizard 
Chess is specifically named so that we know it's different). As our 
national anthem is "God Save the Queen", this would imply that they 
recognise the Queen.

Ali

Who wonders if Dean knew the words to the second verse as she doesn't 
know many people who do!





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