Lupin is NOT NOT NOT an honest, nasty, DISLOYAL person who is ever so evil

[aldrea279]

No: HPFGUIDX 39397

*grabs big giant stick and prepares to poke as many holes as she can 
in this evil, evil theory*

Pipppin: 
> This is a  red flag. JKR wouldn't create two characters with the 
> same narrative function. Only one of them can be the 
> scapegoat--the other is guilty, guilty, guilty. It can't be Sirius. 
> Everybody in the wizarding world thinks he dunnit. It's Harry's 
> quest to clear his name. But that leaves--

HOW do they have the same narrative function? Elaborate on this.  
Sirius is now Harry's Protector, a man that Harry now completely 
trusts and relies on.  Lupin was Harry's teacher for a year, but the 
resigned, and has been MIA for a bit.

> Yup. Lupin is ever so evil.

NO NO NO!


<snip>...why he didn't tell 
> Dumbledore about Sirius or the map

Kat(booklovinggirl) covered that with:
Remus has admitted to being wrong about this, not wanting to 
incriminate the Marauders, because it would lead to the Animagi 
adventures, which would add up to "I betrayed you when I was a 
student."


 why he's so calm and 
> unhurried in the shack, 

Because of the whole time/potion thing, he thought he had enough time.

why he insists that Sirius and he have to 
> tell the whole story,

Kat got this one, also:
<>Do you think that Harry, Hermione and Ron would have believed them 
otherwise? Harry was ready to *kill* Sirius, Hermione was accusing 
Remus of helping Sirius kill Harry, and Ron was telling 
Sirius "You'll have to kill all of us." If I were cornered by three 
hysterical teenagers, I'd want to make sure they knew exactly what 
was going on as well!<>


 why he left the map where Snape could find 
> it.

Kat argued:
<>If Snape had any bloody sense, he would have noticed the dot 
labled "Peter Pettigrew."<>

 It explains why Crouch!Moody is so good at teaching DADA.

Kat said:
<>Wouldn't Crouch!Moody's skill in teaching DADA come from the fact 
that he's been involved in the Dark Arts themselves? We don't know 
nearly enough about Crouch!Moody before Voldemort-is it possible he 
was a prefect? Student teacher?<>


<snips Prank bit- I will break that apart later>

 
> I say Lupin is a servant of Voldemort. Where did he go after 
> James and Lily died? To Albania perhaps? Equipped with a 
> wand but unable to aid his master because of his condition? 
> Lupin could hardly tend to baby Voldie's needs in wolf form, after 
> all. But then Sirius escapes Azkaban. And Voldemort sends 
> Lupin to find and murder Sirius who killed his servant Peter. 
> Lupin and Voldie don't know that Peter is alive, of course. 

Naama nailed that with: <>OK, Pippin. I think I've got something 
here: It doesn't make sense that Voldemort would send Lupin to kill 
Sirius. He would have no other motive than to avenge Peter, and what 
does he care about Peter? What does he care about any of his enemies 
or allies? As we have seen, he would just as soon Crucio the one as 
the other.<>

Ooh, go Naama.

Also, Kat argued with the fact that how would Voldie KNOW that Peter 
was alive?  The newspaper article didn't mention that the Ministry 
thought Sirius was going to Hogwarts.  And as far as we know, 
Voldemort didn't have any faithful DE supporting him until Peter came 
along.


Dicentra replied to Naama with: <>So Lupin isn't there to avenge 
Peter's death. I can dig that. But maybe he's there to kill Sirius 
anyway. For whatever twisted reason he has.<>

I think Remus had a definate grudge against Sirius, -in the beginning 
of the book-.  This is suported when Harry menions him during their 
Dementor lesson and Remus seems to get upset.  But that is resolved 
in the Shack Scene.  Remus thought Sirius had been a spy and a 
betrayer, but he forgave him, and vice versa.

Back to Pipin:
> Now I tried to dismiss this theory. I told myself it wouldn't fly 
> without a honking big pink flamingo of a clue. Unfortunately there 
> is one.

> ****"When they get near me--" Harry stared at Lupin's desk, his 
> throat tight. "I can hear Voldemort murdering my mum."
> 
> Lupin made a sudden motion with his arm as though to grip 
> Harry's shoulder, but thought better of it."*****PoA Ch. 10
> 
> Yep, Lupin is extremely reluctant to touch Harry, not surprising 
> since the last Voldemort employee who tried it got fried. Better 
> wait till Harry is unconscious and try it then. PoA Ch. 12

Naamus squashed this with:
<>Yeah, but come on, that was because Voldemort was inhabiting his 
body. And Voldemort knows this. He says (GoF, graveyard scene):
"His [Harry's] mother died in the attempt to save him - and 
unwittingly provided him with a protection I admit I had not foreseen 
... I could not touch the boy". 

And then he runs "one of his long white fingers" on Harry's cheek. 
That means that Voldemort identified the protection Harry's mother 
gave him as specifically against himself, not a general protection 
from enemies as such, DEs or whatever. No, the protection is only 
against Voldemort, and he knows it. If Lupin is doing Voldemort's 
bidding then he would know this as well.<>

I always thought Lupin was just sort of trying to restrain his 
emotions in that scene.


> ****"Forgive me, Remus," said Black.
> 				"Not at all, Padfoot, old 
friend,"***** PoA ch. 19
> (shiver) 

I always read the scene that that is where Lupin and Sirus clear up 
that one last matter.  They had each suspected each other has beng a 
spy, but they had now learned the truth. I think, that from that 
point on, they start working together a little bit better.
 
> But Lupin taught Harry to fight the Dementors.
> 
> Yeah, just like Moody taught Harry to fight Imperius. But not 
> because Dumbledore made him. . Imagine the  villain-tells-all 
> scene where Lupin explains just how much he enjoyed watching 
> Harry live through the agony of his parents' deaths, over and over 
> and over again. (shudder)

Oh, every time Harry learns something knew doesn't mean there has to 
be some dark plot behind it all. *sighs* No wonder the poor boy 
doesn't do extremely well in school.. =P

<snips the similarities between Lupin and Moody>

 
>  How did Crouch!Moody, who's never taught a lesson in his life, 
> get so good at teaching DADA? Lupin taught him. He *is* a good 
> teacher. 



 
> He does have one rather frightening hobby: he makes pets out of 
> Dark Creatures and then kills them.  We know what happened to 
> the Boggart in the wardrobe. But what happened to the 
> Grindylow, eh?  Why put in the detail of the empty case? (shiver)
> 
> Now, consider the night of the Shack:
> 
> Eversoevil!Lupin has been waiting all year to get his hands on 
> Sirius. Just as he tells the trio,  he hasn't been helping Sirius 
get 
> into the castle. Indeed,  he doesn't want Harry dead. (shiver) In 
> fact Lupin himself shivers here. No, Voldemort has warned him 
> not to let Harry die. 
> 
> Lupin figures that the Trio will go down to see Hagrid the night of 
> the execution, which, ever so conveniently is going to be a full 
> moon. He knows that Sirius is lurking  on the grounds, because 
> he's seen him on the map. He guesses that Sirius will try to 
> contact Harry. This is Lupin's big chance. Not only will he kill 
> Sirius, he will save Harry Potter. Perfect! He takes his potion, 
but 
> secretly. It's easy to break into Snape's office, as we have been 
> most carefully shown,  and Snape brews the stuff by the 
> cauldronful. Then Lupin waits. But look! There, on the Map, it's 
> --Peter Pettigrew?? But Pettigrew's *dead*.
> 
>  Lupin's got to have an explanation for this. He sees everyone 
> enter the willow, and he gets a brilliant idea. He leaves the 
> activated map on the table and runs out toward the Shack, 
> knowing Snape will come to give him the potion, see him on the 
> map and follow him just as he did twenty years before.

 
>   Sirius Black never planned to murder Snape. Lupin did. And 
> Lupin hates Harry, just the way he's hated James, ever since 
> James thwarted his beautiful plan.

Plan? You mean now The Prank was Lupin's idea? Nonono.  In the Shack, 
Lupin even mentions the Prank as being "what Siruis thought would 
have been an amusing joke"- and Siruis doesn't deny it.  His godson 
is sitting right infront of him and he's not saying anything 
like "Now now Lupin, you helped me with that little Prank also.."  


> Of all the Marauders, Lupin has the best reason to want Snape 
> dead, since he has the most to lose if his secret is revealed. 
<snip>

Lupin doesn't seem to have a problem when Hermione calls him a 
werewolf.
 
> So Lupin gets to the shack, and then he insists, insists! on a 
> long detailed explanation from Sirius. 

Ah, but that has been discussed.

>snip the bit about Crookshanks>


<snips chilling bit about Remus faking werewoflness>

 
> Sirius chases off after Pettigrew and then, mysteriously, 
> hundreds of Dementors appear and attack Sirius, Hermione, 
> Harry and Ron. 
> 
> Think about it. There've been people wandering around the 
> grounds all night. Snape, Fudge, MacNair, Dumbledore, Hagrid, 
> Tt!Harry and Tt!Hermione . The Dementors don't bother any of 
> them. Then all of a sudden there are hundreds. Why? Because 
> werewolf!Lupin set the Dementors on our heroes. (shiver!) Can 
> the Dementors tell when they're dealing with a human mind in a 
> canid body? They can't.

*likes Kat's answer to this*: <>Well, then how did he get them to go 
after Sirius? He can't 
communicate when he's transformed.<>

Yes, precisely, how DID Lupin lead the Dementors to our heroes?

 
I will come back to that last bit later, but I must must must go to 
bed.

~Aldrea, who hopes the stick did it's job