Replies to Lupin is an honest, nasty disloyal...

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 39424

 Let's see. A few more flamingos have flapped in, only to be 
greeted by  an impressive array of sharp sticks. But are they 
sharp enough?

Naama thinks so:
>>OK, Pippin. I think I've got something here: It doesn't make 
sense that Voldemort would send Lupin to kill Sirius. He would 
have no other motive than to avenge Peter, and what does he 
care about Peter? <<

Ouch! We don't really have a good motive for Voldemort to make 
a special effort to kill Sirius. But, wait, Dicentra counters that 
Lupin could have a personal grudge against Sirius. That would 
fit. Maybe Sirius told James that Lupin had turned against them, 
and that's why there were no pictures of Lupin at the wedding.

Now Voldemort needs another reason to send Lupin to 
Hogwarts. Could he have learned about Pettigrew? We know the 
Prophet circulates overseas because Hermione saw it in 
France. Maybe Lupin saw the picture in the Prophet also. So, 
Lupin  recognizes Peter, whom he and Voldemort had thought to 
be dead, (why should they not?). Perhaps in the very same issue 
is  the advertisement for a DADA teacher which Dumbledore 
owled to the Prophet at the end of CoS. The Weasleys are 
travelling in Egypt but the article says that Ron is going to be at 
Hogwarts. As Sirius points out, Voldemort's servants are very 
angry at Peter, and they'd be after him, only they think he's dead. 

So Lupin owls to Dumbledore, applying for the Dark Arts job. 
Only after he gets it does he learn that Sirius has escaped. He 
can learn from Dumbledore that Sirius is on his way to Hogwarts 
also. That gets rid of the problem of having to commit murder 
under Albus Dumbledore's nose. Sirius isn't coming to kill Harry, 
as Dumbledore thinks. He's coming to get Pettigrew.  (Lupin has 
been manipulating Sirius for a long time, he knows how Sirius 
thinks. )Lupin can just sit back and let Sirius do the job. This is 
going to be fun! 

Lupin finds himself in Harry's compartment. Frustratingly 
enough, Scabbers is right there, hiding in Ron's pocket (and no 
wonder!) but Lupin can't make a grab for him without revealing 
himself. So he waits, amusing himself with his hobbies of 
Snape, Harry and Dark creature torture, while Scabbers remains 
in Gryffindor Tower, which even Lupin cannot enter without the 
passwords. Lupin admits that he considered whether to tell 
Dumbledore about Sirius' knowledge of the castle, but didn't 
think he could risk losing Dumbledore's trust (how true!). This 
would also be the reason that Lupin doesn't simply tell 
Dumbledore about Peter himself.  He also says he convinced 
himself that Sirius was getting into the Castle using Dark Arts 
he'd learned from Voldemort, which is a little iffy, but could be 
true.  After all just because a wizard doesn't use dark magic 
doesn't mean he can't, right? Then he hears, possibly from 
Hagrid, that Ron's rat  is dead. So indeed, he does think that 
Sirius has killed Pettigrew. Mission accomplished...until he sees 
Pettigrew on the map. 

But Naama has another stick:
>>>Also, when Voldemort describe his long years as Noxious 
Gas, he says:
"And then, not even a year ago, when I had almost abandoned 
hope, it happened at last ... a servant returned to me: Wormtail 
here ... " 
(GoF, graveyard scene) 
But if Lupin had already been there, then it had happened once 
before - that a servant returned to him. But he says, "it happened 
at last", meaning it hadn't happened until then (right?). <<<

And Ish chimes in, to tell us villains never lie in their Tell All 
scenes.

But Voldemort does. It seems to be the one page of the Evil 
Overlord Manual he has taken to heart. This is established, first 
by Harry in SS/PS:

**"Your parents died begging me for mercy."
"LIAR!" Harry shouted suddenly.**

 And indeed Voldemort is lying, for though Lily begged mercy for 
her innocent son, James did not. His last words were "I'll hold 
him off--" <<

And then  just in case we didn't get it, JKR gave the game away 
herself, in a Barnes and Noble chat of October 2000. (courtesy of 
Aberforth's search engine)

***[Q]In Chamber of Secrets, Hagrid is supposed to have raised 
werewolf cubs under his bed. Are these the same kind of 
werewolves as Professor Lupin?

[A] No. Riddle was telling lies about Hagrid, just slandering 
him.***

So, not only does Riddle lie, he lies about *werewolves*. Oh 
dear, this is not going as planned. Naama's stick has a beak 
and feathers and is looking decidedly pinkish. Plus Voldemort 
probably thinks of Lupin as a pet, not a servant. And it would do 
no good to have Lupin try to abduct or persuade another Death 
Eater. The others don't know he's a  Death Eater. None of them 
would trust a werewolf. And Voldemort needs a *willing* servant 
for his rebirthing potion.

Wouldn't it be wonderful, if, when push comes to shove in Book 
7, Voldemort falls because he considers Pettigrew a more 
reliable servant than his loyal werewolf? And even gave him a 
silver hand, just to make sure?

I wrote:
> Yep, Lupin is extremely reluctant to touch Harry, not surprising 
> since the last Voldemort employee who tried it got fried. Better 
> wait till Harry is unconscious and try it then. PoA Ch. 12

Naama: 
>>>Yeah, but come on,that was because Voldemort was 
inhabiting his body. And Voldemort
knows this. <snip> No, the protection is only against Voldemort, 
and he knows it. If Lupin is doing Voldemort's bidding then he 
would know this as well."<<<

Nope. Everybody knows that Voldemort doesn't understand this 
mother love stuff very well. That's what the famous gleam is all 
about. If I were Lupin it would behoove me to be cautious,  and 
touch Harry for the first time while he was unconscious. That 
way, if my finger blistered , I could say I burnt it on the kettle.

 But there could be other interpretations. Maybe Lupin was 
having a Gollum moment, and felt a brief stab of pity for the victim 
who looks so much like his childhood friend. 

On to the attack on Sirius.
The Dementors didn't come during all the commotion of 
Scabber's escape from Crookshanks and Sirius' attack on Ron. 
Sirius says it's very hard for them to perceive an animal's 
emotions, yet they are able to close in on him in dog form that 
night  after he's managed to elude them for ten months, not to 
mention escaping from the hordes that infest Azkaban.

The Dementors have to be telepathic, I think. How would they 
speak with only a gaping shapeless hole for a mouth? Since 
Lupin still has his human mind, he just thinks a happy thought 
(that fellow over there with the dog mind is Sirius Black. Sic 'em!) 
and the Dementors swarm to their prey, draining the magic from 
Sirius so that he's forced back into human form. They wouldn't 
have been drawn by Sirius alone. Sirius says it's very difficult for 
them to detect animals. Not only that, Pettigrew has just escaped 
and Sirius is gashed and bleeding. He  wouldn't be happy about 
that. 

Then there's the Map and the question of why Lupin left it with 
Harry. It would have been easier for Lupin to pass it straight to 
Crouch, if Lupin had only known about Crouch. But no one does, 
until Bertha's memory charm is broken by  Voldemort. That, of 
course, doesn't happen till Peter captures her, long after he and 
Lupin have left Hogwarts. It's been made clear to us that the map 
*could* be a vehicle of dark magic. Lupin had his hands on it for 
a while. He may have tampered with it. Even if the Map had no 
dark magic in it before, it may have now.

So, revised version of the Shack: Lupin thinks his mission is 
accomplished. He decides to get Snape out of the way as a 
parting blow, and comes up with his pretend to not take the 
potion plan. He watches the map, keeping his eye on Snape. 
That way he'll know when it's time to leave for the willow. He's 
watching Snape, not Harry, so he never even notices the other 
Harry and Hermione on the map. But just as Snape is coming for 
him, he sees Peter, coming out of Hagrid's hut. And there's 
Sirius...and all heading for the willow. How convenient. He 
leaves  the Map behind as intended, to lure Snape. 

Aldrea:
>>>Lupin thinks he can take on two full fledged wizards plus 
three in training(Harry certainly isn't going to stand by and watch 
his friends die)? Hmm...and all in werewolf form, you say? Well, 
that's certainly something.<<<


The werewolf is a XXXXX known wizard-killer, according to 
FBAWTFT. In werewolf form Lupin ought to be able handle 
himself, considering only one of his prey will be fully trained and 
equipped with a wand. Look how many wizards it takes to stun a 
dragon. Lupin's got nothing to worriy about, except that Snape 
insists on believing he's there to help Sirius kill Harry. Lupin 
couldn't have predicted that. 


Further to the map, Ish quotes:
>>>Moody's magical eye whizzed over the entire surface of the 
map.  He looked suddenly alarmed."

Why, if he was told about the map by one of its co-creators, was 
he so surprised (or rather, alarmed) that his true identity had 
shown up?  It doesn't fit.<<<<<

Crouch  is *acting*...nothing shows on his face that he doesn't 
put there. I suppose his alarm was genuine enough. He's just 
had a pretty close call. He decides to let Harry see his reaction,  
since the map is a highly unusual object, and it would look 
wrong if he wasn't surprised by it.  But I think Crouch took a 
calculated risk in coming to the school knowing about the Map.  
He has his magical eye, so Harry can't sneak up on him. He 
knows Harry's unlikely to be using the map when classes are in 
session...he's not in the habit of cutting. And should Harry check 
the map at random, he'll see the dot for the real Moody just 
where  he would expect it to be..in Moody's office.(shiver) 

As to why Moody needed to collude with Lupin in order to learn 
how to teach, isn't it one of Rowling's points that there's a great 
deal more to teaching a subject than just knowing it? Otherwise, 
Hagrid,  Snape, and Binns  would be as good as McGonagall 
and Sprout. 

Katherine asks bout the prank:
>>>Ah, but if Remus didn't want Snape to know, why did he set 
up the Prank in the first place? He might have just wanted to 
finish Snape off but had a plan that backfired, but you say that 
Remus wants to finish off Snape because he's scared Snape 
will reveal the secret, right? But how can he be scared of this if 
Snape *doesn't know* the secret?<<<<
 
The answer is that Snape doesn't know the secret *yet*. The 
trouble is, he's seen Lupin being taken to the willow and  he 
knows that Lupin disappears every month. From now on, he'll be 
watching the willow and that means no more midnight outings. 
But Lupin lives for those. They have become the only thing that 
makes his transformations bearable. To give them up now is 
unthinkable. So he gets  Sirius who "thought it would be, er, 
amusing", to give away the secret of the willow for him. Sirius 
thinks it's all a big joke. He figures he'll be there, perhaps he 
even masquerades as the Grim to help the joke along. But Lupin 
has other plans, and he makes sure Sirius is elsewhere that 
night. If Lupin didn't manage to devour the body entire he could 
still have hidden it in the forest, where other werewolves are 
known to reside.



Well, I don't think I am talked out of it...that extra flamingo Naama 
found didn't help. But I am getting used to the idea. Evil!Lupin 
*is* more fun than passive-aggressive!Lupin.

Twisted!Pippin
wondering why we haven't heard from Cindy on this.