Replies to Lupin is an honest, nasty disloyal...

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 39436

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "alhewison" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> wrote:
> >  Let's see. A few more flamingos have flapped in, only to be 
> > greeted by  an impressive array of sharp sticks. But are they 
> > sharp enough?
> > 
> >  Maybe Sirius told James that Lupin had turned against 
them, 
> > and that's why there were no pictures of Lupin at the 
wedding.
> 
> I can't actually remember Lupin not being in the photos, but if 
he  isn't aren't there other possibilities: 
<snip guesses>

Harry goes through his photo album hunting for pictures of Sirius 
and this group has always thought it Flint-y that Harry never 
seems to notice pictures of Lupin in there. It could be that Lupin 
was taking the photos, as you say, but come on -- aren't there 
any pictures of you with your friends in *your* photo album? 

 Also, if Hagrid was in contact with Lupin at the end of PS/SS, 
why wasn't Lupin asked to take the Dark Arts job? The thing that 
works best about evil!Lupin is that it gets rid of all these Flinty 
things we've been worrying over for years now. They weren't 
Flints at all, they were clues! or hints (see below)

Ali again:
> 2) maybe the wedding happened at Full Moon so Lupin 
couldn't go  (granted this is a bit weak as the Potters would 
probably have tried  to make sure that one of their best friends 
could attend)<<<<

Unless he *wasn't* their friend any more.
> 
> Pippin again:
> 
> > > Yep, Lupin is extremely reluctant to touch Harry, not 
surprising  since the last Voldemort employee who tried it got 
fried. Better  wait till Harry is unconscious and try it then. PoA Ch. 
12
> > 
> > Naama: 
> > >>>Yeah, but come on,that was because Voldemort was 
> > inhabiting his body. And Voldemort knows this. <snip> No, 
the  protection is only against Voldemort, and he knows it. If 
Lupin is  doing Voldemort's bidding then he would know this as 
well."<<<
> > 
> > Nope. Everybody knows that Voldemort doesn't understand 
this mother love stuff very well. That's what the famous gleam is 
all about. If I were Lupin it would behoove me to be cautious,  
and touch Harry for the first time while he was unconscious. That 
 way, if my finger blistered , I could say I burnt it on the kettle.
> > 
> >  But there could be other interpretations. Maybe Lupin was 
> > having a Gollum moment, and felt a brief stab of pity for the 
> victim who looks so much like his childhood friend. 
> 
> Err, I thought that the blistering was caused by touching Harry's 
> bare skin. Unless Harry had decided to take off his clothes, 
wouldn't Lupin have been ok if he just put his hand on a robe 
covered shoulder? Equally, Lupin revives Harry after one of his 
dementor- induced fainting spells: "Lupin was tapping Harry 
hard on the face" 
> p.178 UK hardback edition. I know that Lupin could have been 
tapping Harry with his wand or even his shoe but isn't it more 
likely that he  was using his bare hands?<<<

I don't think I'm being clear about this. Let me try again.

Stipulated: mother love causes Harry's bare skin to burn 
Voldemort and/or Voldemort-occupied beings.

Stipulated: Voldemort believes this *at the time of the 
re-birthing*.

Stipulated: Lupin can touch Harry without harm.

Stipulated: Quirrell could touch Harry before Voldemort 
possessed him

Right. Those are the facts. My theory goes like this. Starred 
events are canon.

1)Quirrell shakes hands with Harry*

2) Voldemort possesses Quirrell. * He may not know about the 
handshake, since he wasn't with Quirrell at the time.*

3) Quirrell gets fried*

4) Voldemort flees*

5) Dumbledore tells Harry why Quirrell couldn't touch him. *

6) Voldemort arrives in Albania.*

7) Voldemort consults with Dark Arts expert RJ Lupin.  They 
speculate, arriving at  the Mother Love theory.  Even if Voldemort 
tells Lupin about the handshake with Quirrell, which he may not 
even be aware of, it's still just a theory. And it's obviously magic 
that isn't well understood.

8) Lupin is reluctant to touch Harry.  That's a clue--something 
Harry could use to solve the puzzle--if my theory is right.   If I'm 
wrong, it's a red herring (that's what I thought the first time I read  
the book.)

It could also be a hint--a coincidence that leads the reader in the 
right direction, sort of the opposite of a red herring.
Examples are all Ron's off-the-wall guesses that turn out to be 
correct.

Lupin wouldn't have been harmed if he'd touched Harry's robed 
shoulder, even if he is Evil. But Lupin hasn't got anyway to know 
that except what he and Voldie have worked out, and for all Lupin 
knows, they could be wrong. 

9) Lupin touches Harry for the first time *as an experiment*, 
when Harry is unconscious, having fainted. If Harry reacts to any 
servant of LV, or reacts to werewolves, Lupin will get a burnt 
finger, but Harry won't know what caused it.

Kay?

Pippin
wondering if Voldemort promised  Lupin he'd use the Stone plus 
his knowledge of dangerous transformations to cure L of 
Lycanthropy