Foreshadowing in Harry Potter/Apparating & Duels

pippin_999 foxmoth at qnet.com
Thu Jun 6 21:02:55 UTC 2002


No: HPFGUIDX 39499

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "prefectmarcus" 
<prefectmarcus at y...> wrote:
> All this talk about foreshadowing has got me thinking.  How 
much  foreshadowing is there in Harry Potter really?  
> 
> I am not talking about hints, small details that become 
important  later, and possible red herrings.  I am talking 
lightening struck  trees ala "Jane Eyre."  Things like a strange 
shadow falling across  Cedric's face, Lupin standing under a 
picture of a wolf, that sort of  thing.

Funny you should mention Lupin <g>...
*****
"The dementors affect you worse than the others because there 
are horrors in your past that the others don't have."

A ray of wintry sunlight fell across the classroom, illuminating 
Lupin's gray hairs and the lines on his young face.****
PoA - ch. 10

At that point we don't know about any horrors in Lupin's past. We 
haven't discovered that  Lupin is a werewolf or that all of his 
childhood friends were undone in the space of a day or two, so I 
would call that a foreshadow. Although perhaps I am not clear on 
the difference between a foreshadow and a hint. 

Another is McGonagall's  assessment of Hagrid:

"You think it --*wise*--to trust Hagrid with something  as 
important as this?"
"I would trust Hagrid with my life," said Dumbledore.
"I'm not saying his heart isn't in the right place," said Professor 
McGonagall grudgingly, "but you can't pretend he's not 
careless..." PS/SS ch 1

We've been focused on whether this might foreshadow 
Dumbledore's death, but it definitely foreshadows Hagrid's 
careless revelation of Fluffy's weakness.

As far as Cedric's death we  get what I'd call a negative 
foreshadow:
"Ced, that'll be something to tell your grandchildren, that will"
GoF-ch. 6
****
The ever-multiplying magical device problem is one that plagues 
many writers. Larry Niven stopped setting stories in the Known 
Space universe because he got tired of having to figure out why 
the characters couldn't use  the  gadgets he'd already invented to 
escape whatever dilemma he'd put them in. Maybe that's what's 
taking Phoenix so long?

As far as Apparating out of a duel, though, I think this would go 
against that warrior ethos we're always talking about. No wizard 
worth his floo powder would run. It's the High Noon thing, right?

Non-combatant Lily did try to run for it with Harry, but James tried 
to hold Voldemort off  and failed. As for the Shack, even if it isn't 
sealed against Apparation  (and I don't know why it wouldn't be)  I 
can't imagine that notevil!Lupin or Sirius would Apparate away to 
save themselves if it meant leaving three children behind them 
in danger. 

We know what the wizarding world thinks of attacking from 
behind, so Apparating behind your challenger and nailing him 
with a curse before he turns around is not on. Voldemort, 
remember, is recruiting his followers by claiming that 
purebloods are superior to others because they have "proper 
wizard feeling". He has to at least pretend to honor the old 
warrior ways, I think.

Pippin 

 







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