Two clarifications, was Re: Voldemorts Resurrection WAS loads of other things

[grey_wolf_c]

No: HPFGUIDX 39761

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
> Grey Wolf held forth:
> 
> > "The potion that has revived me tonight is an old treasure of dark
> > magic"
> > Snape is a grand master of potions, and we know that he knows dark
> > magic potions: the polyjuice potion is in the dark arts section, so it
> > is a dark art potion itself. It is not impossible to believe that Snape
> > suggested the potion to Voldemort at some point in the past. In fact,
> > it is very probable, especially if Snape was of the inner circle:
> > Voldemort would have used him to advance his search on inmortality
> > methods. We know Snape probably knows of this potion, in fact. That, or
> > there are so many other methods to "stopper death" that I should simply
> > rest my case.
> 
> First point--English usage. I would like to clarify those particular
> words "stopper death." This is not an antique or quaint way of saying 
> "stop" death. In fact, they clarified it in the movie script,
> probably for this very reason, although it damaged the flow of the
> speech irreparably ('put a stopper in death,' indeed).
> 
> To "stopper death" is to put death in a bottle; it's a poetic way of
> saying "to put death in a bottle and put the stopper in." Stopper =
> the cork, the thing on top of the bottle.

I want to make a point: in my tranlated version it says "stop death" 
(liberal translation, but very exact). I was just translating from 
there, and repeating from memory what has been mentioned from time to 
time in the list. Just so I don't look *completely* stupid. Anyway, in 
the film, "put a stopper to death" still means the same I understood 
from my version: prevent death from occouring, at least to my alien 
understanding (D*mned English language!).
 
> Second point, spotted as I re-read over this one. And LOON that I am,
> it must be corrected. The book from whence came the Polyjuice Potion
> was from the Restricted Section. NOT the dark arts section. I do not
> think Restricted necessarily equals Dark; in all likelihood, plenty
> of non-Dark spells are simply too complicated for the younger
> students to have access to. That said, I therfore don't think you can
> call the Polyjuice Potion a "dark art potion."
> 
> --Amanda

You know, a book that is described as "At one glance, it was obvious 
why it belonged to the restricted section. Some of the potions had 
effects too horrible even to imagine and there were monstruous 
illustrations like one of a man who looked turned inside out and a 
witch with several pairs of arms growing out of her head" (as always, 
liberal translation) looks like pretty dark magic to me. But if it's 
not, better still. I was trying to explain why Voldemort wouldn't be an 
expert of the potion. If it's not considered dark magic, there is even 
less reason to think he knew about it, and more reason to explain that 
Snape told him about it.

> But the Stone could not have given him a body. It could have assured
> immortality, but not given him a body. So it does not belong on this
> list of ways to re-corporate Voldemort.

At that time he was just looking for inmortality. The body he's 
recently gained is a step back in that direction. His ultimate 
objective is to gain inmortality, not gain a body. I realize now that 
my wording is confusing. I don't know, however, how your corrections 
attack my/Pip's theories, though. Please read the whole thread (I know, 
it's long, but hey! I had to *write* half of it) and clarify your 
position.

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf