Voldemort's Resurrection WAS The Spying Game and the Shrieking Shack

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I said: 
> > My/Pip's theory believes that Dumbledore has been controlling the
> > way the things should be going, not the timetable they should
> > follow. Of course Dumbledore would have prefered waiting another 10
> > years before Harry had to join the fight, but Voldemort made his 
> > move much sooner,and Dumbledore had to put his plans into motion 
> > (in fact, everythingstarted to move when Dumbledore took out the 
> > stone from the vault.Before that, everything was a stalemate).

Zöe asked:
> How do you know everything was a stalemate?  I would propose that
> Dumbledore had been warned that someone close to Voldemort was going
> to try to steal the stone. Without such warning, it would have been
> most logical to leave the stone where it was, in the Gringott's 
> vault.
>
> Zoë

And Amanda Geist, in the same line, wrote:
> No, Dumbledore's removal of the stone from its vault was a
> precautionary measure. Everything was a stalemate before Quirrell
> took his little research trip and met Voldemort and got himself
> possessed (unless you think Dumbledore engineered *that* too? Sending
> someone to be possessed? I can't buy that). Quirrell was on his way
> to get the stone, which is presumably why Dumbledore moved it out of
> harm's way. Quirrell would have succeeded--the vault was broken into.
> Dumbledore's removal of the stone did *not* start the sequence of
> events; Quirrell's possession, giving Voldemort a chance to make a
> move, did.
>
> Which raises an interesting question (and I'm sorry if you have dealt
> with it; I haven't been able to follow threads in depth for some
> months. But I don't recall any discussion on it). How did Dumbledore
> know to move the stone? How did he know it was in peril at Gringotts?
> If he suspected Quirrell, he would not have included Quirrell in the
> stone's defenses. If he didn't suspect him, what exactly set off his
> alarms? Was *this* Trelawney's first prediction, instead of something
> having to do with Harry at all?
>
> --Amanda, very wordy today, clearly ignoring the need to file and
> work on taxes

I assume it was a stalemate since Voldemort had not made any open moves 
for the last 10 years. Since no peace offerings or even formal truces 
were declared, the correct terminology (unless my English is slipping 
once again) is "stalemate".

I have never claimed that the Quirrell posesion was engineered by 
Dumbledore. I think that Dumbledore was expecting *someone* (possibly a 
DE) to go look for Voldemort and come back with him, or simply with 
orders to get the stone, but wasn't expecting Quirrell especificly.

The tecnical *first* action against the stalemate was Dumbledore's 
order to Hagrid of taking out the stone. The attempt to steal it wasn't 
done until 12 hours later, but you can consider it the action that 
broke the stalemate if it makes more sense that way. It's beside the 
point, though, since the breaking the stalemate, once it's coming, it's 
unavoidable. Just like trying to select the year when the Middle Ages 
turned into the Modern Ages is moot, so's the exact moment when the 
stalemate broke. I selected that moment for convenience but, as I've 
said, you can select any other near it.

How did Dumbledore know when to move the stone? We don't know, but the 
entire origin of Pip's theory is the fact that this has always been an 
undercover war, and that there are spies working for and against both 
sides. I assume, while defending the MAGIC DISHWASHER theory, that a 
spy told him that an agent of Voldemort would be making an attempt at 
stealing the stone, which in turn made Dumbledore start the fun.

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf, defender of MAGIC DISHWASHER