Voldemort's Resurrection WAS The Spying Game and the Shrieking Shack

[grey_wolf_c]

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Marina wrote:
<Major snip>
> I still think the events of CoS were planned by Diary!Voldemort, not
> Vapor!Voldemort, but even if I'm wrong, that doesn't mean everyone
> isn't better off for the time being with a disembodied Voldemort. 
> Because the bottom line is, Harry is still a kid who, at the time of
> PoA, hasn't even figured out Accio yet.  He's nowhere near ready to
> defeat Voldemort.  A certain amount of time must pass befor he's
> ready.  Now, Voldemort can spend that time as a vapor, or in a body. 
> Even if he is active and dangerous as a vapor, that's nothing
> compared to how active and dangerous he's going to be in a body. 
> It's all very well for Dumbledore to say, "he's mortal now, we can
> kill him," but they can't kill him, because their big weapon is
> sitting in the infirmary trying not cry. 

You're entitled, of course, you opinion on who planned the diary idea 
in CoS, but the thing is that it fits very well with the rest of MAGIC 
DISHWASHER, but really is a minor point. What I would like to discuss 
in this occasion, however, it's your comment on Voldemort's danger 
level. He has demonstrated again and again during four books that he's 
very active and dangerous in the vapour form. Dumbledore doesn't want 
him to continue to exist in that form, so it's necessary to have him 
transform into soimething killable. That's the basis of Pip's theory.

>From a short-term point of view, Voldemort is indeed a little bit more 
dangerous than in gas form (I, however, tend to take the computer 
science view of reality (1/0): either it's dangerous, or it isn't, so 
things haven't changed much from were I stand), but Dumbledore isn't 
looking with short-term view. He's looking the long-term view: 
something needs to be done about Voldemort,and the first step is 
necessarily having him change back into a mortal again.

Unfortunately, Voldemort is not easily guided nowhere, especially not 
by his sworn enemies, so, even if Dumbledore has managed to bull him 
into following a path that has made him mortal and with a flaw, 
Dumbledore has not been able to make him follow the best possible 
timetable, and indeed the greatest weapon in Dumbledore's plan is in 
the infirmary. The fact that it's the greatest implies, however, that 
there are others, so Dumbledore isn't betting everything here. He still 
has plans B, C, etc. waiting.

> > Part of successful strategy is knowing when you *have* to make a 
> > move; sending Voldemort Peter turned Voldemort's mind towards 
> > regaining his body, rather than making further (and more successful) 
> > attacks on Hogwarts. 
> 
> Allowing Voldemort to regain a body isn't going to stop him from
> making further attacks on Hogwarts.  It will only allow him to make
> bigger, better, stronger attacks while Harry is still in no position
> to stop him permanently.
> 
> Marina

No, the A plan: Voldemort regains his body, is not intended to stop 
Voldemort from attaking Hogwarts, nor (I hope) have I implied such 
thing. The A plan is intended to make Voldemort mortal and in a flawed 
sort of way so that, down the line (in three years time, to be precise, 
even if none of the involved know it yet), Voldemort can be utterly 
destoyed.

The fact is that with body or without it, Voldemort has been able to 
make continued attacks against Hogwarts and other magical places 
(Gringotts) for the last four years. Maybe his attacks will be more 
powerfull now, yes, but he's back to the level of power he had 15 years 
ago, at a time we have been told "Hogwarts was one of the few safe 
places". So he still hasn't power enough to make a frontal attack 
against Hogwarts. 

We already know the sort of back-handed (terrorist, spying) attacks he 
makes, and so does Dumbledore, so things haven't changed that much, 
since the fact that he has more power as a mortal than he had as a 
wraith is not going to be an isue: he's not going to lead, he's going 
to scheme in the background and let his minions do the bleeding (which 
is exactly his style. Remember the showdown words of Dumbledore in PS).

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf