A case against Evil Lupin
pippin_999
foxmoth at qnet.com
Mon Jun 17 19:08:40 UTC 2002
No: HPFGUIDX 39986
Pippin:
>> who still wants to know why JKR told us there was extra
wolfsbane potion around if it isn't important.
"I made an entire cauldronful," Snape continued. "If you need
more." Ch. 8 PoA.<<
Debbie:
>> One thing Snape's comment tells me is that Snape is in
control of the potion; he keeps it and doles it out to Lupin as
needed. Lupin doesn't keep his own supply; he has to get it
from Snape on a dose-by-dose basis. I think this is
important to set up Snape's bringing the potion to Lupin's office
on June 6.<<<
That could have been established without telling us that there
was extra potion available. We are dealing with a work of art
here. It's not as though there's a video of everything that happens
in the Potterverse, and all Rowling does to create her novels is
mentally play it back and write everything down just as it
happened. Even if that's an imaginary exercise that Rowling
performs as her first step, what ends up on the page is what
Rowling means to tell us. Every sentence serves a purpose,
whether it's to entertain, inform, persuade or confuse.
Now it could be that it's just a character note: "Snape is the kind
of fellow who would make a huge batch of a difficult potion just
because he can." Or maybe not. It's an odd place for an
amusing character note, because we're supposed to see
Snape's behavior in this scene as ominous, but it's a very good
place for a clue.
Debbie:
>>The other think that struck me about the quote is the fact that it
suggests that there's not a standard dose for the potion. Snape
remarks that he made an entire cauldronful "if you need more."
And Lupin responds that he should "probably take some again
tomorrow." If it's so unclear how much potion
Lupin needs to be harmless, could Lupin have forgotten to take
his potion on June 6 because he thought he'd taken enough?
Did he like Snape bringing him the potion like some kind of
servant? <<<
Again, it's an odd place for a character note, and one that goes
against the impression of Lupin in this scene. What it does do
is confuse Harry ( and the reader) so that when Snape says that
Lupin hasn't taken his potion in the Shack, it's not obvious that
an emergency is imminent. The reader isn't told that it's a full
moon, and isn't sure if Lupin has to take his potion every day in
order not to be dangerous.
However, it doesn't give a reason for Snape and Lupin to be
confused in the Shack. They must know that it's a full moon. They
also ought to know what the minimum safe dose of potion is.
Otherwise, no one could ever be sure that Lupin has had
enough potion, and it wouldn't have been safe for him to stay in
his office during his transformations.
IMO, Rowling doesn't really establish that Lupin gets confused or
forgetful under stress, not compared to Neville. Or Voldemort.
(maybe *Voldemort's* been memory charmed?) Aside from the
absent-minded Professor stereotype, all we have is Snape's
comment about Lupin's lack of organization, and Lupin's
statement that he's not much of a potion maker. That's clever. It
inclines us to think that Lupin must be forgetful like Neville,
without really showing us that he is. But Lupin doesn't seem so
disorganized to me. His lessons are so well worked out. And
then he remembers to pick up the Cloak.
I would guess that forgetful!Lupin and non-compliant!Lupin are
both red herrings, but for different sets of readers.
>>Pippin continues:
Which establishes that Snape makes more wolfsbane potion at
a time than Lupin needs. We know that it is easy to break into
Snape's office, and Lupin can also enter through the
fireplace.So, if Lupin wanted to pretend that he hadn't taken his
potion when he actually had, it wouldn't seem to be too
difficult.<<
Debbie:
>>> I can see how Lupin could have broken into Snape's office,
since he tells us a wizard could break his locking spells. We
also know that Dobby was able to get into Snape's office and
steal gillyweed. However, Snape seems to have an
excellent knowledge of his inventory, so that he noticed the
missing stores of boomslang skin and gillyweed. (GoF, ch. 25,
p. 471 US) I also believe Snape knew exactly how much of the
wolfsbane potion he had prepared and kept
track of it, especially since he was keeping his eye on Lupin. So
while Lupin could have stolen the potion, I think Snape would
have noticed it missing (though maybe not until after the
Shrieking Shack events). <<<
That was part of my original theory. Snape did notice the missing
potion later that night, and that led him to expose Lupin. It
doesn't matter whether he told Dumbledore or not, because it
would only have been his word against Lupin's that some potion
was missing. Rowling has established that a case of missing
property is not enough to authorize the use of veritaserum on
a suspect. So regardless of what Snape and Dumbledore
suspect, they have no evidence for an accusation.
Debbie:
>>As nobody
else at Hogwarts besides Lupin had any use for the potion,
Lupin would have been suspected of stealing it. And unless
Snape did not tell Dumbledore, I can't imagine that Dumbledore
would have trusted Lupin enough at the end of GoF to send
Sirius to his place. So, I don't think Lupin stole the potion.<<
Ah, but we don't know everything that Dumbledore has told
Sirius, because Dumbledore and Sirius are in correspondence.
(GoF ch. 30.) If Dumbledore sent Sirius to Lupin's it could be
because they had agreed Lupin should be watched. Sirius
wouldn't necessarily have to suspect Lupin himself to agree to
that. Dumbledore's usual method is to keep those he suspects
free to act but under surveillance until they have impaled
themselves on their own swords, like Lockhart.
Debbie:
>>I also think Lupin's behavior when he transforms is not
consistent with having taken the potion and exercising human
control. Lupin starts snarling the moment he begins to
transform, then rears up and starts snapping his
jaws, which is more like the fully fledged monster than the
harmless wolf. If he was in control of himself, it seems to me
that he wouldn't begin to act vicious until he was ready to
pounce upon his victims -- and I presume he
would have begun with Sirius in order to catch him by surprise
before he had a chance to transform and control him. <<
Lupin can't start with Sirius. Lupin is chained to Pettigrew and
Ron. But if Lupin pretends to be a vicious werewolf, Sirius will
transform and come to protect Ron, Peter will make a break for it
and if Sirius doesn't kill him, Lupin can chase him back to
Voldemort.
As soon as Peter gets away, and not before, Lupin disengages
from Sirius and flees into the forest. Then, I assume, he
summons the Dementors. He doesn't need to be in human form
to do this since the Dementors can sense his human mind.
Everyone is so interested in the question of how
the Dementors were driven away that no one asks how they
were summoned in the first place. But they can be called: Snape
says that he will do it in the Shack.
Debbie:
>>> And to answer one more point of Pippin's from an earlier
post<
Pippin:
>> She explained why Voldemort's supporters would go after
Pettigrew. She even had Pettigrew fake his death twice, so that
Lupin could truthfully say: "Everyone thought Sirius had killed
Peter. I believed it myself..until I saw the Map tonight," even if
he had initially gone to Hogwarts because he'd learned that
Peter was alive. <<<
Debbie:
If Lupin returned to Hogwarts because he learned that Peter
was alive, what about Pettigrew's faking his death at
Crookshanks' hand would have made Lupin
believe Sirius had done it? Even if Lupin had seen
Crookshanks with Padfoot, Sirius would only have been an
accessory to the crime, and this statement would not have been
truly accurate. <<<
By that logic Dumbledore was lying when he said Voldemort
killed Cedric. Lupin doesn't have to know exactly how Wormtail's
death was accomplished in order to think that Sirius was
responsible for it. He could have thought that Crookshanks was
obeying Sirius, or that Crookshanks had been framed, which of
course he was. All that Lupin has to know is that Sirius has a
reason to want Pettigrew dead.
Pippin
who thinks that the ending of PoA is unresolved compared
to the endings of the previous books, and therefore does not
think JKR was obligated to unmask all her characters. As for the
reader being too close to Lupin, who knows how we will feel
about him by the end of Book 7?
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