Lucius Malfoy and CoS plot/Lucius vs. Arthur

[aldrea279]

No: HPFGUIDX 40008

Nik says:
>  If I correctly remember 
> Riddle's explanation to Harry about how he used Ginny, he says that 
> he was *very* interested in everything she had to say about Harry, 
> especially dealing with Voldemort's downfall. I had always assumed 
> that was because Diary!V had no knowledge of this. <snip>  I took 
this to mean that Diary!V > had all the knowledge,  memories, etc. of 
Tom *up to that point in time*, but that he doesn't
> have any connection to Voldemort after he is stored in the diary.

Grey Wolf replies:
> That's one reason to think that the plan was *NOT* thought up by 
> Diary!Voldemort, but by either Lucius himself or Vapor!Voldemort. 
The 
> reason? Diary!V looks pretty much out of touch with the modern 
reality: 
> doesn't know his future self had been beaten until Ginny tells him, 
> etc. It looks like no-one had fed him any ink for quite a while. 
Thus, 
> the plan couldn't have originated in him.

Well, Diary!Voldemort being left so high and dry seems odd to me.  
Vapor!Voldemort having someone throw the diary into Hogwarts in HOPES 
that Ginny(or the unsuspecting student) will notice it, not go to her 
father about it, and write in it enough to get Diary!Voldemort 
interested in Harry Potter; and then not having the younger, stronger 
version of himself informed on how much he should hate the boy- 
leaving alot of things up to chance, isn't he?  
I find it more likely that Lucius was just being mischevious, or that 
he was in contact enough with Diary!Voldemort to find out if he knew 
how to open the CoS- figuring that such a catastrophe would be sure 
to get rid of Dumbledore, in which it almost did(to me, that 
basically seems to be Lucius's plan: throw a wrench in Hogwarts and 
blame Dumbledore enough to get him thrown out).  He must have 
realized that the diary was Voldemort's, 50 years ago when the CoS 
was first opened- and, as we know Lucius is most certainly not an 
idiot, it would be reasonable for him to deduct that something evil 
and involving Muggle-killings probably involved his former master(we 
don't know if Voldie ever told any of his followers about his 
childhood crusades). I just don't see Lucius being in contact with 
Vapor!Voldemort.  If he were, why wouldn't Voldemort be demanding he 
show up and help him in his crippled state?  Voldemort himself stated 
that he was at a pretty low time during this period of his 
nonbodiness, so I think a servant contacting him would immediately be 
told to come and nurse him some strength.  
Hmm...nope, I think Lucius was just being his plain old malicious 
self.  But, then again...as has been pointed out, his son very well 
could have died.  But I find it very interesting that Draco tells 
Pollyjuiced!Harry that his father told him to "keep his head down"- 
as in, not looking around incase his eyes happen to meet a pair of 
big yellow ones?

Marina wrote:
>I think Lucius believed that Draco was in no danger. He wasn't there
>the first time the Chamber was opened, and didn't know the details of
>what had happened. He didn't even know there was a basilisk involved.
>The legend says only that Salazar had left behind him an unspecified
>monster that will one day come out and clear all the Mudbloods out of
>Hogwarts. The implication is that it will *only* harm Mudbloods,
>leaving Hogwarts to the Purebloods who deserve it such as Draco.
Still, I find the "keep your head down" comment interesting.  Lucius 
could have told Draco that after learning what the instances were at 
the school and suspecting what the monster might be.  But I do agree 
that I don't think Lucius quite knew what he was unleashing on the 
school, just that it was controllable as it was made to harm 
Mudbloods.

Also...
Darrin states: 
> Now, as to the first, I don't think canon excludes switching houses 
> for drastic reasons
Hmm...well, the Sorting Hat does sing(it's either in the first book 
or the fourth book, but I think it's the fourth) that it has "not 
been wrong yet"(not sure on the exactness of the quote).  So that 
woud suggest that each person it has sorted has always been rightly 
done.  

And..  
Joe ponders
> P.S. Do we have any estimate on when the elder Malfoy was in 
> Hogwarts? I have this pet idea (unsupported by canon as far as I 
> know), that he was there around the same time as Arthur and 
> Molly. Maybe their mutual animosity was in origin a lot like the 
> Severus/James, Harry/Draco feuds.

Umm...I thought during the little fight outside of Flourish and 
Blotts in the beginning of PoA, it hints/states that Lucius and 
Arthur are old enemies dating all the way back to Hogwarts. (does not 
Hagrid make this statement?) If it werent' so late, I might run down 
the stairs and get my copy, but I'll just post this and wait for some 
LOON to come along and correct me. =P
Joe again:
> I know this makes him pretty old to have his first child, but 
> Narcissa could be a lot younger than him, Draco could have 
> been an accident, he was too busy building up his position with 
> Voldemort for all those years to worry about children, etc. Lots of 
> possibilities.

I find that very likely.  From a comment Mrs.Weasely makes to Harry 
in GoF about her and Aurthur strolling the Hogwarts grounds late at 
night, I'm betting they met/fell in love duing Hogwarts and then got 
married right after- getting a bit of an early start.  So it's 
entirely possible that Lucius didn't marry until late in life(and I 
think it fits his character.  He might have even married for 
political reasons when he finally did), and that's why he and Molly & 
Aurthur are the same age.

~Aldrea (I'm still not caught up, but I'm working on it...tomorrow. 
*yawns and goes off to sleep*)