The Time Turner/Marauder's Map/Lupin's Transformation

[blpurdom]

No: HPFGUIDX 36056

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Felicia Rickmann" wrote:
> I don't know if its been discussed, but I wondered
> if a person using a time turner shows up more than
> once on the map. If so why doesn't Lupin comment that
> he say Harry and Hermonie twice by Hagrid's hut? I
> figure a person only shows up once and that would be
> for his or her first time though the events.
> 
>                         Eclipse
> 
> I would suspect, as the map shows * here and now * not * there and 
> then * (if that makes sense) the person using the map would has, 
> as far as I can make out, sees what is there at present.  As the 
> map was done by M, W, P & P when they were at school, they were 
> probably clever but not sildly advanced magicians.  
> 
> Lupin would, I think, only see Haryy and Hermione once.  
> 
> Felicia

This HAS been discussed, but not recently.  I was once of the 
opinion that they would have to have shown up on the map, but I'm 
softening that stance a little with time and some perspective. ;)  I 
do still believe that if a person is within the parameters of the 
map, whether or not they're time traveling, they should show up on 
the map, period.  I also disagree with Felicia about the magical 
abilities of the Marauders.  I believe that the very creation of the 
map shows that the Marauders WERE indeed rather advanced wizards 
(and they all managed to become Animagi, as well, which is more 
advanced magic).  

There could be several reasons for neither Lupin nor Snape 
mentioning an "extra" Harry and an "extra" Hermione being on the map:

1) The person inspecting the map was in a hurry, and upon seeing one 
dot for Harry and one for Hermione, did not continue to search the 
map for more.

2) Harry and Hermione were down near Hagrid's hut, which is probably 
very close to the edge of the territory covered by the map.  They 
could simply have been out-of-range.  (Someone else pointed this out 
to me when I first raised this point months ago, and it's a very 
likely explanation, IMO.)

3) Someone who DID see more than one Harry and Hermione on the map 
may have refrained from saying this because they a) wanted to keep 
this information for future use--Snape comes to mind--or b) they 
thought the map was malfunctioning (again, more likely Snape than 
Lupin, who helped create the map).

On another PoA-related note, we've discussed before the strangeness 
of Lupin not transforming into a werewolf until the moon was fully 
revealed by the shifting clouds after they all emerged from the 
Whomping Willow.  This seems to contradict the idea that once the 
moon is full, whether a werewolf is directly exposed to moonlight or 
not, he/she should transform. 

However, there are several things to take into account:

1) While JKR does not seem to be sticking to a reality-based lunar 
calendar (the first day of the full moon in June of 1994 is the 
23rd, far too late in the month for the PoA story), this link 
(http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/phase/phases.1901-2000.html) 
does show that the time at which the moon enters a new phase does 
not necessarily correspond to sunset/moonrise (which, on the first 
day/night of the full moon, are very close to being the same time, 
according to this web page--
http://timbeauchamp.tripod.com/moon/mooninfo.htm, third question).

2) This means that if the exact time that the earth stops 
obstructing the light of the sun from striking the moon--even a 
little--is at, say, 8:27 pm GMT, as it was on January 16, 1995, then 
that is when werewolves would become susceptible to the effects of 
the full moon, despite the fact that sunset/moonrise that day was at 
about 4:11 pm GMT.

3) This, in turn means that while the moon APPEARED to be full (a 
nearly full moon and an actual full moon are very hard to tell 
apart) before 8:27 pm GMT on January 16, 1995, it was not ACTUALLY 
full yet.  Even though JKR's lunar schedule appears to be completely 
fictitious, it is possible that the thing that caused Lupin to 
transform was not the obscured moon being revealed by the shifting 
clouds, but that the time when the earth moved fully out of the way 
finally arrived.  Just because January 16, 1995 is the first night 
of the full moon doesn't mean it was full from the moment it rose. 
JKR was playing fast and loose with the lunar cycle, so she could 
have imagined that on that night in June of 1994, as on January 16, 
1995, the moon rose at sunset, but later became completely full at 
about the time they all emerged from the Whomping Willow.

So, if you formerly thought the delayed transformation of Lupin was 
a Flint, it could simply be JKR taking artistic license with the 
lunar schedule...

--Barb
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