Unifying Theory / Sorting hat

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No: HPFGUIDX 36328

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "elirtai" <ruben at s...> wrote:
> Leroyal Terrell Gould III ("ltg3asu") wrote:
> > I have, for some time, been speculating on just why Voldemort 
would 
> > single out a child for destruction. There is, of course, the much 
> > talked about "Heir of Gryffindor" theory, but for me, this 
doesn't 
> > hold with JKR's theme of our choices making us who we are, and 
not 
> > innate qualities. [snip]
> 
> JKR knows that, and Dumbledore, and now Harry. Other people too.
> But not Voldemort, not necessarily. He probably doesn't see things 
> that way or he wouldn't be as obsessed about pure blood lineage.
> 
> [long theory main argument snipped - see message 36311]
> 
> While I essentially agree with what you say, I don't agree with 
> the conclusions. I think that's not enough to drive Voldemort;
> we know his main obsession is personal everlasting power, and the
> theory about the Gryffindor heir makes a lot of sense to me in that
> context.

Unify once more: Both hold true. Harry may descend from RR, HH and 
CG. Voldemort descends from Slytherin(and passed some of that to 
Harry). Also his choices count for ALL houses, and his status as a 
unifier. This might explain all about where the money came from. It's 
also an added motivation for Voldemort: If the last heir to the other 
founders is dead, as the last heir to SS Voldemort inherits the 
entire Hogwarts... Just adding my pet theory of Voldemort's motives: 
he wants Hogwarts or something inside it!

> A couple of comments:
> - I always saw Harry's sorting as an epitome of JKR's "your choices
> make what you are". Probably most of the students are given more 
than 
> one choice, according to their potentials. Take Hermione: she was 
> probably offered Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff too, and why not 
Slytherin 
> since she's ambitious?

Neville had it on for a long time; Maybe the hat told him he's brave 
(and IMO he's the bravest of all) and Neville argued. Neville is the 
purest Gryffindor I've seen. The hat didn't have trouble deciding but 
convincing Neville he *does* belong to Gryffindor.

Absolutely no ambition - definately not a Slytherin. He's *wise* in 
his way but not *smart* like Ravenclaw. With his continous 
forgetfulness he just won't go to Ravenclaw. Neville is extremely 
compassionate, but will stand up against his *friends* for what he 
believes is *right* - not for Hufflepuff.

And his family *trying* to scare or anger him to do magic without 
success? Maybe Neville simply didn't get angry or scared, but that he 
trusted instead. Trusted that his family wasn't after letting him to 
get hurt. Magic came out by *accident*, when it was the only way for 
him to avoid crushing the ground...

He may simply be too brave for his fears to show in magic. But just 
exactly why is Snape his WORST fear? Including Dementors, Voldemort, 
Death-Eaters, lots of other things he knows of...

What comes *closest* is - crucio. (Indicating Neville's worst 
experience) - maybe it wasn't Crouch Jr. Maybe Snape was the third 
man (using Polyjuice) involved, and among the accused was the one he 
took the hair from! Neville may know that. He seems to have ability 
to see what other people are truly like with the lack of seeing 
himself so. (Sounds like the classic rule of fortune-telling: You 
can't See your *own* future). Why Snape? A person in a position of 
authority over him with no kindness or compassion - nor understanding 
to such feelings. A psychopath, who's just happened to follow the 
rules for a while, but Neville knows what he is... the type of person 
who *can* torture people/animals without regret, someone who *hates* 
a man who saved his life with passion...

 The only exception seems to be Draco; the hat 
> knew he was a Slytherin as soon as it was brought in contact with 
> him. Of course, Draco had already made his choice, but so had 
> Hermione. That may be significant: it might tells us Draco has 
indeed 
> none of the potentials associated with the other houses.

I agree - Draco is as much a Slytherin as Neville is a Gryffindor. 
The Hat cried out for Draco immediately - took long time with 
Neville...

Draco and Neville are opposites, much like Harry and Voldemort.
 
> > *Standing back, and rereading this, my fingers are crossed that 
my 
> > first post isn't slammed too hard,
> 
> I hope I haven't - welcome!

Seconded.