Barty Crouch, Jr and Mystery Death Eaters

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No: HPFGUIDX 36348

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Jamie Lipton"
<j-lipton at n...> wrote:
> I've just been rereading GoF - ...
> *snip*
> Does anyone else think that, while Crouch Jr.
> was certainly guilty of being a Death Eater, he
> may not have been guilty of using an
> Unforgiveable Curse?

If I am remembering correctly, he most certainly was guilty of 
using the Imperious Curse to make Krum use the Cruciatus 
curse on the other Champions in the TWT. That being the case, 
it is not too much of a stretch to think that he had done so before.

> It's come up before that
> maybe he was under the Imperious Curse.  How
> else could a man who spent most of his adult
> life in Azkaban perform such difficult magic
> unassisted?  It is emphasized that he is a very
> young man at this trial - probably just out of
> Hogwarts.

As he was indeed a Death Eater, he probaly not only had most 
expert tutoring in the Dark Arts, but he had other opportunities to 
practice them. There is also no indication as to how long he had 
been a Death Eater, he could have even been one during part of 
his time at Hogwarts.

> It seems unlikely to me that such a
> young man with no family background in the Dark
> Arts should be able to perform the Cruciatus
> curse to the degree required to drive the
> Longbottoms to insanity.

As we have seen the effects of the Cruciatus Curse already, it 
seems that Longbottoms suffered either several simultaneous 
curses and/or an exceptionally prolonged session, as the curse 
in and of itself does not seem to make a person insane. I 
assume that he was one of those participating.

> Who are the other Death Eaters involved in that
> trial?  There are two men and a woman - one of
> those men and the women might be the
> Lestranges?  Who is the last man?  Anyone we
> know?  Whoever he is, we can presume he is
> still in Azkaban.  When Voldemort is
> resurrected, he only accounts for the
> Lestranges being in Azkaban.  There are the
> three that died in his service, but I imagine
> they were killed before Voldemort's fall.  The
> one who was too afraid to return was Karkaroff,
> and the one who has left forever is Snape - is
> that correct?  So that's one mystery Death
> Eater, which begs the question, how many Death
> Eaters are there?  Are there more than just the
> ones Voldemort named, in the same way that
> there must be more Gryffindor girls in
> Hermione's dorm that don't get mentioned?
>
> - Jamie

To me this has always been fuzzy. We know that JKR is 
masterful at leading us to false conclusions, even while she 
leaves us enough clues so afterwards it seems plain that 
everything we read was true.. it wasn't pointing to what we 
thought it was. 

I took a few minutes to re-read those scenes from GOF and 
certain things strike me. 

Not all of the DEs present are named. Not all of the missing DEs 
are named/mentioned. We are not explicitly given the identities of 
the 3 Mystery DEs. They are the Faithful Servant (FS), the 
One-who-left-forever (LF), and the One-who-is-too-scared (TS).

I feel confident that JKR is sowing some confusion here 
intentionally, as all of the others are identified all too well. I feel 
certain that whatever the identities of the unnamed and the 
Mystery DEs are will play an important part in the remaining 
books. Who they are will contain at least one unexpected twist.

How Snape as a spy fits into this is the biggest mystery to me. 
How can he be the LF if he is able to go spy for Dumbledore 
again at the end of GOF? Or is he not mentioned there at all? 
What if he was one of the unmentioned DEs who was standing 
there in a mask? If so was he intentionally doing small things to 
help Harry escape?

- Jerry Myers
"Don't let the Muggles get you down!"