DE Name Origin, & some Dark Mark

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--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "alhewison" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> > But I've got a different understanding of why Harry's scar first 
> hurt. I thought that it didn't hurt when he first met Quirrell at 
> Diagon Alley because Voldemort had not yet possessed Quirrell (he 
> possessed him after the failed raid on the bank). In the Sorting 
hat 
> scene, I thought that Quirrell had turned away from Harry so that 
the 
> turban (and therefore Voldemort) could get a good look at Harry. 
Thus 
> it was when Voldemort looked at Harry that he experienced pain. It 
> had nothing to do with the hateful look that Snape was giving him. 
> Though of course none of this became clear until later.
> 
> 
Your post made me completely revise an impression I had had that 
Voldy had been in Quirrell's head from the moment he encountered him 
in that forest in Albania. I had sort of assumed it anyway in PS and 
had it reinforced by the graveyard scene in GoF when he talked about 
the wizard who strayed across his path in Albania and who was a 
teacher at Dumbledore's school. I also have a vague impression of 
Quirrell being turbaned in the film's version of the scene in Diagon 
Alley but I couldn't swear to it and of course the film's 
interpretations are not canon. 

But when I reread both passages more carefully I realised that Voldy 
does say in the GoF scene that he possessed Quirrell at a later point 
after he had been brought back to the UK and Quirrell's turban is not 
mentioned in the Diagon Alley scene. 

However it still puzzles me a little. Why did Voldy need Quirrell to 
bring him back to the UK? He is in this incorporeal shadowy form at 
that point and was able to travel to Albania under his own steam 
(sorry no pun intended) when he was fleeing. He would need control of 
a wizard mind to do specific magic but why would he need help to 
travel? And if he was that shadowy anyway why go off to Albania in 
the first place? Why not just drift around England or Scotland 
looking for weak willed wizards to manipulate? If he needed to be in 
hiding because of the danger that would still apply if Quirrell 
brought him back to Britain outside of his (Quirrell's) body. How do 
you transport an insubstantial shadow anyway if it is not possessing 
your body? I think that was probably why I just assumed Quirrell was 
possessed by Voldy from the first? 

On a slightly different tack, isn't all this changing of DADA 
teachers just a bit suspicious. Dumbledore seems to be showing a 
lamentable lack of judgement and doesn't seem too bothered about it 
by the tone of his remark to Harry in PoA when he goes off to draft 
yet another advert for the post for the Daily Prophet. IIRC he says 
something like, 'We do seem to be going through them lately' with 
that characteristeric twinkle. I know it is plot driven and have no 
doubt there will be a different DADA teacher for each of the seven 
years but if I were on the Board of Governors I would be seriously 
concerned about the competence of the Headmaster if such an important 
post kept being filled with useless teachers. Especially in these 
times of looming crisis and a renewed war with the Dark Side. 
Quirrell seems to have always been too weak to be effective and 
Lockhart was totally hopeless. Lupin was good but 'fatally flawed' 
and while the real Moody might have been a good thought (and even 
perhaps a good teacher) we all know what went wrong there and 
Dubledore seems to have been deceived for most of the school year. I 
don't think I am actually citing it as further evidence 
for 'Dumbledore is ever so evil' but it is alarming that the position 
is so hard to fill with anybody who is any good at the job.

By the way, my thanks to Eloise for explaining 'Flying Hedgehogs' and 
for enrolling me in the said Order and I think on the whole it is the 
right place for me. But I did find Porphyia's (I think) explanation a 
while back of some of Dumbledore's actions pretty convincing. I think 
she was suggesting a Dumbledore acting out of a certain ruthlessness 
for the cause (with Edge if you like, as I myself suggested some time 
ago) but not out of evil intent. Apologies if I have misremembered. 
With so many interesting strands flying through every day and so 
little time it is hard to keep up let alone respond when it seems 
appropriate. But I sort of remember thinking that was a good way of 
holding on to belief in a good Dumbldore while still wondering a bit 
about some of his actions. Hope that doesn't affect my membership of 
the Order of the Flying Hedgehog. I'm still paranoid about virtually 
everyone and everything in the books. I've never suspected McGonagall 
though.

Mercia