memory charms not used on Dursleys
finwitch
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Sun Mar 17 21:30:04 UTC 2002
No: HPFGUIDX 36635
--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "dorbandb" <dorbandb at y...> wrote:
> The MoM uses memory charms on muggles so they have no recollection
of
> any contact with the world of magic. We know this is true from
many
> instances in the books. An exception seems to be the Dursleys.
Not an only exception...
> 1). In SS, on the island, Hagrid attempts to turn Dudley into a
pig -
> but he only succeeds in giving him a tail. Apparently, Dudley
keeps
> his tail for a full month before being taken to a hospital in
London
> to have the "ruddy tail removed" before attending Smeltings. It is
> inconceivable that this is a wizarding hospital, so it must be a
> muggle hospital - to have a pig tail removed?!? How could Vernon
> possibly explain this to a muggle surgeon? But the real issue here
is
> that the Dursleys have all been exposed to magic and the has been
NO
> memory modification performed on them.
It was a private hospital - and the staff's very discreet.
> 2). In CoS, after Dobby does his thing, an owl "swooped through the
> dining room window, dropped a letter on Mrs. Mason's head, and
swooped
> out again." No mention is made of a memory charm for Mrs. Mason,
> although it could be argued that none was necessary because owls
> aren't themselves magic, and perhaps an owl delivering a letter is
not
> considered blatant enough to warrant a memory charm. But Vernon
> actually reads the letter from the MOM, thus, the Dursleys are
again
> exposed to magic WITHOUT having their memory modified. (A couple
> questions regarding this passage - what must Mafalda Hopkirk
(Improper
> Use of Magic Department) have been thinking to send an owl into a
> muggle residence where it might be (and was) seen by muggles other
> that the Dursleys? Very irresponsible, I should think.
I doubt it really *was* from Ministry. It could have been a forged
letter from a Malfoy.
> And how about
> the owl just dropping the letter on some starnger's head - not a
very
> secure method of delivering confidential correspondence. And I
> thought the owls were supposed to be very disceerning in regards to
> parcel delivery...)
Pigwidgeon seemed to have a little trouble with it... but it might
have been sent by i.e. Draco Malfoy, who told the Owl to do so...
> 3). In PoA, after the Marge inceident, Fudge mentions that "Miss
> [Marjorie] Dursley has been punctured and her memory has been
> modified." No mention is made of modifying the memories of the
> remaining Dursleys.
Of course not - *their* memories weren't modified.
> There are a number of questions that arise from this:
>
> - If the Dursleys are plain old muggles, why wouldn't they be
> subjected to the memory modifications that other muggles must
undergo.
> - Are muggle parents of wizards (i.e., the Grangers) EVER subjected
to
> memory modification, or are they, like the Dursleys, now part of
the
> wizard world and to be trusted to keep the wizard world secret.
Both have wizard/witch in *family* and therefore are members of
*wizarding family* - they're not considered Muggles but Squibs.
> - We have discussed the possibility of memory modification on
Neville,
> but is memory modification santioned by the MOM for use on/against
a
> wizard and/or a muggle with wizarding relatives?
They *do* try to avoid it. Some (like Lockhart) are keen to put
memorycharms, others not so much.
> - If the MoM does not sanction memory modification of wizards NOR
> muggle parents of wizards, then aren't there an awful lot of
muggles
> that know about the wizarding world? After all, most wizards now
come
> from a mixed background of muggle/magic.
Simple. A magical person in a household defines the household as
magical. Those members who can't do magic are squibs, those who can
are wizards or witches. They *do* tend to put importance of family
around - Harry's safe in the care of his relations, Voldemort used
his father's bone to renew himself... They're not after breaking
families - only Death Eaters do that.
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