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No: HPFGUIDX 36701

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "dicentra_spectabilis_alba" <bonnie at n...> 
wrote:

> I think that Sirius really would have died to save James, and 
letting
> everyone believe he was the Secret-Keeper is proof.  He knew that
> becoming the Potters' Secret-Keeper made him Voldemort's prime 
target.
>  Sirius probably thought that Voldemort would go after him, try to 
pry
> the secret out of him, eventually killing him in the process. By
> making someone else Secret-Keeper, Voldemort's killing or torturing
> Sirius would not put James in danger.  Sirius's primary driving 
force
> is loyalty. It's loyalty to his promise to look after Harry that
> drives him to escape from Azkaban and risk capture and the Kiss.

Ah, I don't think you've got our bleeding heart way of looking at the 
world yet. You see, we bleeding hearts do not believe that good 
intentions success make. We like to believe that you can be 100% loyal 
and still betray your friends under pressure. We cast around 
hopelessly for heroes who will prove our point of view, and find quite 
a few in real life, but very few in fiction, with the exception of 
Frodo Baggins who cracked most delightfully (and also was sympathetic 
towards the plights of SYCOPHANTS.) 

The mechanics of the Secret Keeper charm may guard against torture, 
but Sirius's "You should have died..." bit still doesn't sit well. He 
may have had the option not to crack in this specific case, but if 
Voldemort catches him tomorrow and does horrible things to him, will 
Sirius Black keep quiet all Dumbledore's plans? I don't think so.

Eileeen

PS. Cindy, there's a lot of hollering for memory charms going on. 
Could you do something about it? Memory charms are too obvious and not 
nearly as BIG BANGISH as your scenario.