[HPforGrownups] Harry as Arthur? WAS: Harry the Saviour?

[Michelle Strauss]

No: HPFGUIDX 36947

Laura wrote: 
>>While we're discussing parallels between HP and Christ, I'd 
like to point out some similarities between the series and Arthurian 
*legend* << 
and then began to list those similarities. She also guessed as to what it all may mean.


>>1 - Ron might betray Harry (Lancelot is Arthur's most trusted lieutenant, 
>>betrays him)<<

I'd say that Ron won't out right betray Harry, so much as put Harry in a 
position where Harry would have to choose between what he knows is right and 
what he *feels* is right. Lancelot 'betrayed' Arthur by having an afair with 
Gwenevere. Which leaked out into the general pool of knowledge and forced to 
Arthur to decide between proving he wasn't above the law or sparing both his 
friend and his wife. That said, Harry will side with what he knows to be 
right, and Ron will resolve the problem by solving it himself (saving 
Gwenevere) and then disaprearing in 'disgrace'.


>>2 - Maybe theory that Dumbledore somehow set up James and Lily's
relationship in order to get Harry (the boy that can vanquish Voldy)
actually holds some water (I'd really hate to think this).<<

Interesting. I *could* see Dumbledore setting James and Lily up, although 
I'm not too sure about his doing it just to get Harry. From what I can tell, 
James was a very powerful wizard. And Dumbledore strikes me as a person who 
does things for multiple reasons. Of course this particular line of thought 
is directing me to towards the good ship LOLLIPOPS and giving me another 
Reason Snape Hated James. (Dumbledore kept Snape busy while James 
(masqurading as Snape; can you say Polyjuice Potion?) wooed Lily away from 
Snape)


>>3 - :( Harry dies at the end.  Oh, heck, I don't like any of these 
>>theories I'm coming up with.  Maybe I should just stop now.  Although ??!! 
>>in legend it is always said that Arthur is supposed to rise again -- tying 
>>into the resurrection theme throughout the books.<<

Ah, the legend of the sleeping king. I could see a greviously injured, about 
to die, Harry put into a magical cryogenic stasis and shipped off to some 
hidden magical island (Avalon) unltil he was needed again, I guess. But 
then, I have no problem believing that King Arthur can be awoken early by a 
NYC cop in the company of mythical beasts from the tenth century.


>>4 - Someone (lady of the lake-esqe) will give Harry a special weapon 
>>(wand?) to help him fight V. after his special wand is broken/lost.  Maybe 
>>the next time V and Harry have a go at it, V figures out a way to destroy 
>>Harry's wand, everyone is in complete despair because the only effective 
>>weapon against V's Avada Kedavra is broken -- and then Harry gets a 
>>special gift.<<

This, I can't really see. Half the time, Arthur gets Excalibur from the Lady 
of the Lake, the other half, he pulls it from a stone. Plus I have problems 
seeing Harry getting a new wand.


>>5 - Someone will trick Harry into trusting them, with adverse consequences 
>>(al la Morgan le Fay).<<

I can kinda see this...


>>6 - Harry may sink to the level of the Dark Side in his attempt to fight 
>>them.  (akin to when Arthur orders all male babies killed in an attempt to 
>>destroy his and Morgan's child).  This will come back to haunt him.  <<

>From my take of Arthurian legend, Arthur was tricked into doing it by Merlin 
(who wasn't really Merlin at the time) for fear that his basterd son would 
cause problems for him (which ended up coming true as it was his son by his 
half sister who killed him). Which leads me to question why this 
prediction/theory is seperate from the last one as Arthur would not have 
tried to kill the children had it not been the advice from his most trusted 
of advisors: Merlin (or at least someone who looked and sounded like Merlin)


I have a few personal theories/predictions myself.
1) True to what happened with Merlin (and Moody), Dubmledore will walk into 
a trap and be captured. A Polyjuice Potion using his hair will be made and 
given to someone in order to lead Harry astray in hopes that Harry will be 
convinced to do something *really* stupid.

2) Harry and Ron will becoming embroiled in a love triangle which will 
result in Ron getting the girl, and then running off to somewhere where 
Harry will never find them; such as Ohio.

3) Harry will be nearly killed by someone close to him (either blood 
relation or friend who becomes unofficial family) who at the time has 
learned (under the wing of someone  who *really* hates him) to hate/resent 
him. He will also kill that person. The fatal wounds will be exchanged at 
the exact same moment. (Think A shooting B as B's stabbing A with a sword 
cane/katana hidden as a sword. And yes I'm a fan of Cowboy Bebop.)

4) Harry will spend some time searching for a magical object, that while it 
does not exist, has the promise of winning the war for the side of Good. 
This would not be the philosopher's stone, although it would be the 
Potterverse equivallent of the holy grail. King Arthur never found the 
grail, although he spent years looking for it. It took Harry only a couple 
of months to find the Philospher's stone, and most of that time, he wasn't 
really looking for it.

5) I can't really think of a number 5 without going into Gargoyles (and 
Gargoyles Pendragon <long story.>)cannon which, seeing as this is a Harry 
Potter list, you wouldn't care/know about.

@---<-- Chyna Rose