Tom Riddle/Trelawney

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No: HPFGUIDX 37061

Ecuman (refuting Finwitch's claim that wands are just
weapons):
> Well I don't think that a wand is just "a tool" like
> a knife is to a psycho.  A wand is more than 
> that...After all, you also mention Olivander's 
> famous quote of "its the wand that chooses the 
> wizard."  Well does a knife choose its killer?  The
> wand has a mind of its own, to some  degree...I 
> began this thread of Harry's and Voldemort's wands 
> being "good and  evil."  I still stand by the idea 
> of it and the brotherhood that the wands share: the
> one evil brother rising to power and the deserving 
> brother triumphing later over him (post # 36717). It
> just all goes back to the question of why 2 feathers
> and why from Fawkes.

I enjoy this topic so much, I didn't edit half as much
as I should have.  Speaking of the brotherhood of the
wands, ecuman, did you know that the name Thomas, as
in Tom Riddle/Voldemort means twin?!  Just a little
something to ruminate on...

lipglossusa wrote, on dear Trelawney:
>However, I don't necessarily think that Dumbledore
>would have found a teenage Trelawney a very reliable
>sorce of information.  I imagine she was a thousand
>times more fake than she is now.  If she had made any
>kind of prediction, I doubt anyone would have paid
>attention, or believed her. 

If Trelawney were a melodramatic pest even as a
teenager then I think that is precisely why Dumbledore
would have taken her seriously.  He has that
marvellous ability to dissect character and (bad pun
alert) get to the heart of an individual.  Note Lupin
is a werewolf but a very gentle person.  Dumbledore
gave him his first paying job.  And Snape was a
Death-Eater but Dumbledore still vouched for him at
the trial seen in the Pensieve. Hagrid is half-giant
and  an incompetent drunk, but Dumbledore trusts him
with his life.

Just because Trelawney seems a right old fraud doesn't
mean she cannot ever make an accurate prediction, as
we found out.  If Trelawney had indeed made a
prediction at school, Dumbledore would have been the
first to wonder if Sibyll had talent as a medium.  Her
flighty manner would not have concerned him in the
least, because he does not condemn anyone for their
shortcomings.  He can see past their failings and
recognize their true worth.  The old dingbat may be
more important than we think!

lipglossusa:
>I also wonder if Trelawney's prediction isn't
>directly tied to Harry at all.  Dumbledore is the
>one who "mentions" that the trance Harry sees is 
>Trelawney's second prediction, and if the first
>somehow predicted Harry's confrontation with
>Voldemort that killed his parents, it would seem (to
>me) a bit insensitive of him to hint this to Harry in

>light conversation.  

It's possible Trelawney originally predicted that a
Dark Lord would arise, but we really don't know.  If
her prediction involved Harry and his parents, I don't
know that D. mentioned the prophecy for this reason.  
Was he hinting anything to Harry or simply emphasizing
Trelawney's track record ain't all that impressive? 
After all, he didn't go on to explain what the
prediction was, which would have been too much for
Harry at that point.   Therefore, his comments served
to assuage Harry's anxiety, not increase it. 
 
Thanks Grey Wolf, by the way, for the timeline, it
helped to organize my thoughts.
Ama



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