TBAY: Stoned Harry

[errolowl]

No: HPFGUIDX 38589


AHOY THERE!
is a relative newbie permitted to flag down the 
Kayak? :After much deliberation, Caroline & crew help Errol on
board

Errol looks around, unsure in which direction to row
ummm:


Quote Caroline:
[In art, the alchemists showed the creation of the philosopher's 
stone as a stag & unicorn coming together in a forest.
So, I figure James + Lily = living Philosopher's stone
<snip, snip>
If Harry is the living stone, then V will need him to become 
immortal, and if Harry gave up his immortality, than V will have lost
out in that particular venture.]


OOOOHH
Yes!
Stoned! Harry is really cool, and accepting Caroline's mastery of 
Alchemy, the symbols are hard to refute. He *has* been consciously 
surrounded by the relevant elements.Harry being the living stone also 
gives him a viable alternative claim to `special' status, as
opposed 
to the Heir of Gryffindor theory. (I never quite bought the bit about 
the [yet unheard of] prophesy of the battle of the Heirs
;-))
.but
 

:tries to put uneasy feeling into words: 
but..why would Voldmort
try 
to kill Harry again & again if he knew he was immortal, and thus 
unkillable? If one argues that he didn't know about the living
stone 
part, then there would be no reason to go after Harry, would there?

Quote Laura:
[what if Dumbledore created TOM RIDDLE with the potential for 
immortality because of the prediction about a Dark Lord Trelawney or 
whomever made(thinking that *Tom* would be the Light Lord), and then 
was forced to create Harry to fulfill the prophecy and undo the 
damage he had caused.]

but this still doesn't help in untangling anything. Even IF 
Dumbledore helped `create' Tom (*What* was he thinking of,
mixing 
with the Slytherin line anyway? And why leave Tom to grow up in a 
muggle orphanage?), why would Tom merely have the *potential* for 
immortality, while Harry has it inherent at birth?

Now if Harry also just has the *potential* to be immortal, he would 
have to go through some sort of process to gain that immortality.

Quote Caroline:
[First, the alchemists started the whole idea of a person *becoming* 
a philosopher's stone, through some spiritual process]

Ok, so far so good. Voldy recognizes the potential and tries to 
eliminate Harry (though why he didn't show that urgency when he 
dueled Harry, I don't know). This also ties in with
Dumbledore's 
dictum of "its our choices that make us who we are far more than
our 
abilities". But this also means that Harry is not immortal
*yet*
oh 
dear, that seems to conflict with quite a few others in the Kayak..

Quote Cindy:
[Actually, the idea that Harry has the potential for eternal life 
explains a lot of canon mysteries. It explains why Dumbledore seems 
not to be troubled by Harry's rule-breaking. It explains why the 
DEs couldn't curse fleeing Harry. It explains why Harry was 
stronger than Voldemort in the duel. It explains why Harry was able 
to survive his duel with the Basilisk.]

See?
now I'm confused. Harry's as vulnerable as ever!.
:scratches 
head:

Well, ok
next rowing in another tangent to Dicentra's
decapitation 
theory

Quote Dicentra:
[Oh yes, he most definintely has to die at the end. And JKR has
alreadly told us how it's going down (at least I think she has). 
Remember when Harry and Ron were making up predictions in GoF and how
Harry inadvertently predicted the three tasks? Well, the last
prediction Harry made was his own beheading. And, as someone pointed
out last time I pointed this out, Ron and Harry were later playing
with a couple of the twins' trick wands in McGonagall's class: Harry's
had turned into a rubber fish and Ron's was a tin parrot. Ron
beheaded Harry's fish with his parrot.
Is that Bangy or what? Not only does Harry have to die to take
Voldemort out, but it will end up being by Ron's hand. (Whether it's
good!Ron or evil!Ron I cannot say at this time.) And his head comes
off, too! BANG! ]

OMG! This really has me going!! I really like Ron..and I want Harry 
to live, so this sends Chills down my spine. Has there been an 
indepth discussion of Trelawney's predictions already? Harry and
Ron 
do seem to unconsciously predict their own paths to a certain extent 
but didn't their homework cover only the next *month* ? (are we 
reaching too far here?). If their predictions are so on target, is 
Ron going to get runover by a rampaging Hippogriff?
ummm, my
crystal 
ball's gone all foggy


But I looked up the 13 at dinner scene again and watched Dumbledore 
closely
 he didn't refute it!! Trelawney makes a scene, and
it's 
McGonagall who phoo-phoos it. You'd think DD would have said 
something – but not a peep out of him! IF we were to take that to 
really bode the future, Ron / Harry are to die before the others at 
the table. So who else is there? – Dumbledore, Snape, McGonagall, 
Trelawney, Flitwick, Sprout, 3 other students and Hermoine. Here, 
Hagrid is conspicuous by his absence – afterall, he does live on
the 
grounds! Where is he? An unexpected prop to the Hagrid's early
demise 
theory.

Now, there's some confusion over who got up first – Harry or
Ron. 
Does that imply that in the climatic scene, there will be some 
confusion over who actually died? (depressing line of thought). It 
seems to me that Harry & Ron are to be in at the climax and maybe try 
to sacrifice for each other or something. I don't quite go all
the 
way with the `Ron causes Harry's death' theory, though I
think it's a 
really interesting course. 

This has gone on long enough, so I'll stop. Last words
I
don't think 
Hermione will let her two best friends fight over her in a triangle
– 
she'll think of something!


- Errol (The confused soul who ended up paddling so hard in all 
directions that the Kayak now spins out of control in circles): 
glares from the rest of the crew: