TBAY Stoned Harry/the prank/Ron splitting with Harry and Hermione

[Núria Obradors Pi]

No: HPFGUIDX 38590

Re: TBAY:  Stoned Harry/Mother's Love

Caroline wrote:
>>>>Stoned Harry!  I love it!<<<<

Fascinating Theory.

Caroline:
>>>>First, the alchemists started the whole idea of a person *becoming*
a
philosopher's stone, through some spiritual process; it was one of
the things they were into, along with turning metal into gold &
developing an elixir of immortality. <snip>
The alchemists believed that Mercury + Sulphur = Philosopher's
stone. <snip>
Things associated, alchemically, with sulphur: stag, phoenix, color
red, lion
With mercury: color green, serpent, unicorn
In art, the alchemists showed the creation of the philosopher's stone
as a stag & unicorn coming together in a forest.
So, I figure James + Lily = living Philosopher's stone<<<<

Do you suggest Lily would have been an animagus too?

>>>>We know *as canonical fact* that the stag is related to James.  If
you'd like to go with the heir of Gryffindor combo meal, you can add
the color red & the lion.
We know *as canonical fact* that the color green is related to Lily
(and that it'll be important.)  I don't think adding the unicorn is
too much of a stretch:  unicorn = purity; lily = purity; willow (like
in her wand) = purity.<<<<

I really had no idea of all these alchemy elements, it's very
interesting! and the way they intertwine with canon too.

>>>>And if you want to super-size that combo, you can add that Lily was
an heir of Slytherin (remember the wording in CoS was a "deliberate
error," JKR says), and that Harry inherited the Parseltongue (serpent
connection) through her.<<<<

Lily heir of Slytherin? <frowns> Correct me if I'm wrong, please: hadn't
JKR said somewhere Lily was a Gryffindor? and what do you mean by the
wording in CoS and deliberate error?

Caroline:
>>>>In fact, I went through SS & CoS pretty carefully to see
where that whole theory came from.  And it's not Dumbledore that
tells us this: it's Harry, when he's talking to Riddle in the chamber.
Dumbledore only says "Your mother died to save you."  And this is in
answer to the question "Why couldn't Quirrell touch me?", (SS p. 299)
not `how did I survive?' I figure this can be interpreted as, Lily
died in the attempt to save Harry, but that's not necessarily why he
lived.  <<<<

Very well observed.

Caroline:
>>>>(Bonus tidbit: Another word for the Philosopher's stone is cinnabar:
this means dragon's blood in Persian.  Remind anyone of a certain
chocoate frog card??) <<<<

Good old Dumbly-Dorrr!!!!!!!!!!

Dicentra responds to this thread:
>>>>Oh yes, he most definintely has to die at the end.  And JKR has
alreadly told us how it's going down (at least I think she has).
Remember when Harry and Ron were making up predictions in GoF and how
Harry inadvertently predicted the three tasks?  Well, the last
prediction Harry made was his own beheading.  <<<<

Nice ending, Harry dying... would be unexpected, original (the hero
dies!) and dramatic, but no, no, no... I don't want poor 17-year-old
baby Harry to die... he's too young! OTOH, I hadn't notice what you say
about Harry predicting the Triwizard tasks... of course I grabbed my GoF
to check, but couldn't find the beheadment bit... (not that at was to
thorough on it at 2:30 am) In what chapter was it?
Oh, let me please add some glitter to your FEATHERBOA: Harry dies in
book 7... in Chapter 2!  (or anywhere you like  before the first half of
the book...) Spooky, aye?

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Doldra said:
>>>>When Sirius played The Prank on Snape, his hatred for him
was all that was on his mind; much like when he was trying to get at
Peter at the end of PoA, even Ron's leg couldn't stop him. I think
Sirius' problem is that he gets -too- emotional about things. He's
never going to forgive himself for James' and Lily's deaths and when
he's really angry he can't think clearly. I've always wondered about
why he chokes Harry at the end of PoA, but I guess a lot of that can
be attributed to the fact that he's clearly not altogether sane at
that point.<<<<

Oh, yes, yes yes! That's actually what I think too but didn't know how
to put into words (dunno if that's going blank or not knowing enough
English <g>). Should I put an example, for those who've read  'A Sirius
Affaire', the part when he gets-hmmm- agressive (don't want to spoil it
for those who haven't read it, I hope you know which one I mean), well,
I thought is was really 'Sirius' in that part. *If you understood this
paragraph, please explain it to the perplexed author, thank you*
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Susanne wrote:
>>>> reading the comments from several people who seem to feel
 pretty strongly that Ron will betray Harry's trust in the
 future and join the dark side, made me wonder.
 It sounds like some people would welcome this development,
 and I'd like to find out why <g>.<<<<

I absolutely agree with you, Susanne. What's wrong with Ron? Why does he
get such a grudge?

Susanne:
> Is it, so Ron is out of the way and Harry and Hermione can
 >be "a couple"?

That would be very childish if you ask me. I'm not a H/H shipper but
come on... whether Ron and Hermione get to date or not... that doesn't
mean they can split up and the Hermione turns to harry instead (PoU
comes to my mind...)

About this, Barb said:
>>>I'm guessing that's part of it.  For the H/H ship, he's rather
inconvenient<<<

Is he really or is he just because JKR put a sexual tension between Ron
and Hermione in GoF? (see my comment above). I'd really like to ask
those who agree with Ron being a nuisance in the H/H ship, to honestly
think what would their feelings be towards Ron if he was trying to get
H/H together instead of seeing Hermione in a new (romantic?) way. I'm
not a R/H shipper either: I think they coul have fun but I doubt they'd
succeed in a long-term thing. And as I don't supoport the Ron is Ever so
Envious theory (see below), I'm prone to think a post H/R, H/H
relationship is indeed possible. Or they could have this nasty and lusty
menage-a-trois and leave us all happy! Anyway, Penny spoke very sensibly
about this point in her post

Susanne:
>> Is it because you really dislike Ron as a character?
 The story would be more interesting to see him bad or dead.<<

I do hope not. I  really like Ron. There's a lot of other characters
more likely and reasonably  to go bad - Ron is far from perfect, but the
thought of an Evil!Ron is totally out of my perception.

Susanne:
>>> He doesn't deserve to be part of the trio because of his
 flaws (temper, envy)?<<<<

Thinking so it would be bigot, IMHO. And personally, I don't believe Ron
is an envious person. true, he wishes he'd have some of what Harry's
got - or his brothers, for instance. He who's never wished anything from
any fellow man, throw the first stone. But Ron never, ever AFAICR,
wishes Harry to lose what he's got. Ron never asks Harry, not even
indirectly, to spare Harry's riches with him in any ways.

As I see it, Ron doesn't envy Harry's wealth, he's simply upset for
being poor. Harry being rich only reminds him of it. Ron's only 15 at
the end of GoF, he's still too young to fully realise that having
loving, caretaking parents, siblings and friends makes him wealthier
than money.

Barb also defended Ron:
>>>>Remember, in the first book, he [Ron] was the one with the strength
to walk away from the Mirror
of Erised (which SHOWED him as Head Boy and Quidditch captain), while
Harry wanted to keep going back and
stare at his family. [snipped reference to fanfic]  I think it also
illustrated a good point about Ron's personality; as much as folks say
they fear him going bad because of his ambition, while he likes to
grouse about being in his brothers' and Harry's
shadows, he also knows that friendship and doing what's right are more
important than being in the spotlight (as in sacrificing himself for
Harry and Hermione to get across McGonagall's chess board) and I believe
this early clue to his personality is JKR's way of showing that Ron will
never be a Peter-Pettigrew-style traitor. <<<<

Good for you, girl. Is that the way an envious, evil person behaves? NO!

Susanne:
>>> He's the present day equivalent of Pettigrew and therefor
 *has* to go bad?<<<<

GOD -and JKR- FORBID!

Ryoko pondered:
>>>Here is my reason if why I think Ron could switch loyalties, not
saying he
will, but very well could. I think Ron would join the dark side becuase
of
Jealousy.  Harry has everything, Voldie could very well promise Ron
everything if he joined is order.  As we all have seen Ron is controlled
by
his Jealousy, He believed that Harry put his own name in the goblet and
he
was so jealous of that, and many other things in book 4.  So he would
join
Voldie cause he doesn't feel adequate and Voldie will promise to give
him
what he wants.<<<<

Though, I repeat, I can't grasp the concept of Ron ever being evil, I
want to point something out about how jealousy takes hold of him in GoF.
As we all know, Ron has lot to live up to, all what his brothers have
done. And he's almost in 5th, year, and he doesn't seem to be heading to
their success: not likely to ne head boy, not in the quidditch team, not
popular for being a practical joker... I guess he's just a tad desperate
because he may be feeling he's "running out of time" to accomplish some
glory of himself.

Susanne:
>>>> There are most likely a million reasons I haven't
 considered, but I like all three of the kid main characters
 and would truly hate this kind of development, so I'd like
 to see some other opinions :)<<<<

Just heard mine! <g> As I said, I quite agree with you. The trio is fine
as it is. I'd hate to lose one of them.

Susanne:
>>>> Especially since it looks like book 5 will not come out any
 time soon to see how things develop in canon.<<<<

Don't remind me! :-(

Nuri, who, at 3:42 in the morning, is veeery sleepy indeed.