TBAY: Stoned Harry

[cindysphynx]

No: HPFGUIDX 38634

Wow!  Stoned Harry really *is* immortal, as I'm starting to wonder 
if this thread will live forever.  ;-)

OK, I'll do my part to prolong things.  I'm really scraping the 
bottom of the Bay here, so don't expect much.  

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Laura wrote:

> Anyway, you left out an important part of the equation if you're 
>trying to draw parallels between Harry and Christ..Yes, Christ 
>sacrificed his life in order to save the world...But that wasn't 
>enough.  He was then *resurrected* (rebirth...phoenix, anyone?).  
>Without the resurrection, the cruxifiction is meaningless.
> 
> So what does this mean in the context of JKR's story?   
>Well...perhaps Harry will die -- or appear to be dead -- without 
>taking Voldemort with him...and *then* he'll "rise again" and take 
>V out when the Dark Lord least expects it.

Yes, I have been a bit lax on the resurrection part of the equation, 
that's true.

Well, we've seen two ways in which dead people come back.  Not all 
the way back, but back enough to have dialogue.  There are ghosts, 
and there are smoky shadows.  (There might also be the Time Turner 
angle, but that's *way* too complicated, and JKR wouldn't *dare* 
dust off the Time Turner plot twist in the climactic scene in Book 
7, for cryin' out loud.)

Now, ghosts aren't my specialty, so forgive me if I mess this up.  I 
get the sense, however, that ghosts and poltergeists can act on 
their surroundings.  Throwing water balloons and such.  Stealing the 
egg of a champion (no, Peeves didn't do this, but Filch thought he 
could).  

Shadows, on the other hand, appear not to be able to do much, 
although they did befuddle Voldemort for a minute, although that is 
probably not difficult to accomplish.  I personally think the 
shadows in the graveyard might have put a shield charm around Harry 
as he fled, but I think I'm alone in that unsupported hunch.  But 
the shadow idea would require Harry to come slithering out of 
someone's wand, and I don't see that happening.

So . . . once Harry is beheaded over a river of molten lava, he 
could return as a ghost and push Voldemort down into the river, 
too.  Theoretically, that is.

Debbie wrote:

>Trying to accept this . . . well, this scenario doesn't require a 
>*betrayal* 
>by Ron; Voldemort could exploit Ron by some other means to get the 
>wand -- it 
>would still be his fault and it would still require forgiveness, 
>right?

Could Voldemort exploit Ron by some means to get his wand?  Heck, 
yeah!

Remember Ron's little problems shrugging off the Imperius Curse?  
Maybe JKR is trying to tell us something there.  Perhaps Ron's 
destiny is to be controlled by Voldemort until the crucial moment on 
the catwalk.  Harry might have Voldemort in a bad position, having 
disarmed him or whatever, and will be struggling with the difficult 
moral question of whether to behead the Most Evil Dark Wizard Who 
Ever Lived.  Ron would choose that moment of hesitation to lunge at 
Harry, causing them both to fall to their deaths.  Voldemort will 
rise to his feet and cackle maniacally for longer than is 
reasonable, only to have the Ghost of Stoned Harry . . . um . . . 
behead him.

Hey, it could happen!

Cindy (who thinks Stoned!Harry should remove the dark glasses, 
because they aren't fooling anyone)