Neville as Witness (was Re: TBAY: Memory Charm Neville

[jtdogberry]

No: HPFGUIDX 38888

> > Naama wrote:
> > 
> > > Erm. Am I the only one with a dark enough mind to realize that 
if 
> > the 
> > > torturing DEs had Neville there, in the house with his parents, 
> > they 
> > > would have used torture on him as the best and quickest means 
to 
> > get 
> > > what they want from the parents? Can you imagine a parent not 
> > > breaking down under threat or actual torture of her child? 
> > > That's one of the reasons I just can't buy the Neville as 
> > eyewitness 
> > > theories. If he was there, he would have either gone through 
> > terrible 
> > > torture (in which case, why isn't he insane also?) or already 
be 
> > > dead. 

Hence why a memory charm was needed. It is easier to re-educate a 
younge child, it may not even show that much.

> Cindy:
> > 
> > There might be a few reasons why Neville didn't receive his own 
> > extended round of the Cruciatus Curse:
> > 
> > 1.  According to Crouch Sr., the DEs tried something similar to 
> what 
> > you suggest.  They tortured Frank, and then "when he would not 
give 
> > you information" they tortured his wife.  At this point, even if 
> the 
> > DEs considered moving on to torture Neville, the DEs may have 
> either 
> > figured Frank really didn't have information or he was insane.
> 
> What I am suggesting, is that if Neville was there, they would have 
> tortured him first - to break down the parents (then why didn't 
they 
> first torture the wife, you ask. Well.. maybe they didn't think 
very 
> highly of marital love? <g>)

Or mayby it was Frank's wife who had the information and Frank was 
saying he knew to put people off the scent and protect her hence the 
order, Frank could have cracked or they knew so they tortured her 
husband first to get her to crack then tortured her. but there still 
is the problem of Neville, mayby he escaped to get help and was 
hiding.

> <snip>
Cindy
> > Now as for me, I'm still waiting for an answer to why the DEs 
> didn't 
> > use the undisputed quickest and most efficient way to get the 
> > information out of Frank -- The Imperius Curse. 

Naama
> Or, for that matter, why did Voldemort bother torturing Bertha? 
> Definitely an inconsistency in the story, I'd say. Imperius and the 
> Veritaserum, in my opinion, are very problematic in that sense (as 
is 
> the Time Turner). You can just solve so many things by just using 
> these things. E.g., if you want to know what happened at some point 
> in the past, why not use the Time Turner to get there? You could 
> arrive covered with an invisibility cloak, in order to avoid 
changing 
> the past. Why don't they use Veritaserum on every suspect DE? Etc.

The veritaserum may work like an antibiotic, some peoploe are imune 
and would have no effect. It could also be a very recent thing. Just 
because it a truth potion, doesn't mean that it will uncover 
forgotten memories, if they can't remember, they are not lying. Also, 
a DE doesn't have to speak, B.C Jnr, was semi concious after all and 
not in control.
A time turner would have problems to it like Hermione said. Could 
someone really stand back and watch, even Harry found it hard. You 
could change something by accident.
The imperius curse, same as the veritaserum, won't help memory loss 
and some people can fight it like Harry.

Dogberry