Revival Potion foreshadow (Was: Re: Are The Schoolbooks Canon?)

[grey_wolf_c]

No: HPFGUIDX 38986

Aldrea wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "grey_wolf_c" <greywolf1 at j...> wrote:
> The Revival potion is another matter. Personally, I find it the most
> unsatisfying 
> element in all four books precisely because there is no 
> foreshadowing, no
> mention 
> of dark revival rituals (except for a few cryptic comments from 
> Wormtail at the 
> beginning of the book.) However, one mess up, however big, in four 
> books still 
> does not disprove the fact that JKR has a strong *tendancy* to lay her
> foundations 
> well ahead of time.

Hey! I never wrote that! In fact is opposed to my opwn views! :-p So 
there! Now, you've got me all worked up and I'm going to heve to 
express my views in this subject! (Again!) (Why the h*** am I 
shouting?!) ;-)

> Um...I don't quite see the big deal with this.  Does JKR have to 
> foreshadow every major spell/potion?  I don't really even see how she 
> could have foreshadowed this Ritual, as Harry had never had a chance 
> to encounter such a thing before.  That's the basic way the 
> potions/spells are foreshadowed, is it not?  Harry and friends will 
> somehow have such-and-such spell/potion mentioned/explained to them, 
> and then it might end up playing another role in the series.  But it 
> seems to me the spells/potions that they have met so far are rather 
> common.  Animagi, for example, don't seem to be that big of a thing 
> for the WW.  We already know of six Animagi, and that's just out of 
> the wizards Harry has come into contact with(so far).  The Polyjuice 
> Potion, also, doesn't seem to be all that huge.  IIRC, Dumbledore 
> didn't seem that shocked when he learned about Crouch/Moody using the 
> Polyjuice Potion.  But this Ritual IS a big thing(you now, seeing how 
> it requires Wormtail's arm <g>), and who's to say it wasn't created 
> by Voldemort himself(seeing as he is such a big fan of immortality)- 
> that would make it very hard to foreshadow, as no one else would 
> really know about such a potion even existing(if I am completely 
> forgetting something mentioned about said Revival potion--i.e. it was 
> created by somene, or Dumbledore had heard of it before, please 
> forgive-- I don't have a copy of GoF handy).
>
> ~Aldrea

The fact is that all of us knew that there was a second way of making 
LV return. Dumbledore says so at the end of PS, when Harry asks if, 
gone the stone, so are V's chances of returning. Since we knew it was 
coming, it counts as foreshadowed. It's true that we didn't know the 
exact way it would be done (through a potion), but that is unnecesary 
and doesn't disqualify the foreshadowing. In fact, we had plenty of 
clues: it involved any wizard (but Voldy wanted Harry... such an Evil 
Overlord fixation...), and any DE would give his right hand, and the 
fact that they're in the old Riddle house should have given us clues, 
also, if we had been more centered (and knew what JKR was thinking, of 
course).

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf, who hopes Aldrea doesn't take to seriously his initial rant; 
he's just semi-joking. Also who hopes that people would be more careful 
at quoting, since he gets in enough trouble just by what he says, 
without having to be carry other people's ideas