Evil Draco? Dead Draco?; Snape and the In-Crowd; Harry as Fifth Wheel.

[Teri Gardner]

No: HPFGUIDX 39093


>From: "Sarah Tilson" <sedate_fangirl at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Re: Evil Draco? Dead Draco?
>
>Quoth Aldrea:
>
> >Ooh, that would be a very interesting development.  I also like to
> >think of how things would develop if Draco were to witness his
> >father's death at the hands of Voldemort.  Since he seems to think
> >that his father is oh so powerful, and on the way to being even more
> >powerful, how would such a development shake him?  And if his father
> >was killed, and his family sort of layed open to the things that
> >perhaps they had been shielded from so far(say, raids by the MoM?),
> >how would this affect Draco's actions?  He'd loose alot of bragging
> >rights... <g>
>
>Very interesting twist on the Redeemable!Draco theory...But while we're on
>the subject of Draco dying and bringing up other works of literature...
>I was re-reading the Aeneid in preparation for my AP Latin exam, and there
>was a particular subplot that made me think of the Malfoy clan:
>Mezentius, a king so thoroughly evil that his subjects can't wait to
>desecrate his body when he dies, has a son named Lausus who is possessed of
>a Noble Heart (tm). However, Lausus loves and worships his father despite
>his evil and obeys him without question. While battling with Our Hero
>Aeneas, Mezentius is wounded and Lausus defends him, dying in the process.
>Mezentius is grief-stricken at the death of his son, and this causes him to
>repent his evil actions and honor the memory of his son by acting nobly,
>dieing in battle, yadda yadda yadda.
>
>A lot of people assume as a matter of course that Draco can be redeemed from
>darkness. But what about Lucius?
>Perhaps this Dead!Draco thing might be the turning point that loses
>Voldemort his most powerful ally...either Draco makes a Noble Sacrifice and
>Lucius Realizes the Error of His Ways, or Voldemort kills Draco and Lucius
>realizes that not even association with the Dark Lord is proof against his
>evil...
>
>Just a silly theory from a loopy classics freak  ^_^

No, not necessarily silly.  Now that you mentioned it, it's something to 
consider.

Mind you, I've always postulated that Draco wouldn't be so much as redeemed 
as realise that Voldemort couldn't care less about his supporters and if 
Draco decides to side with good, it would be more in enlightened self 
interest.  Draco at the moment still hero-worships his father and also 
thinks his father's word is law.  He's a spoiled, rich brat who thinks his 
parents are still gods.  Hopefully he'll get a clue in the next book or two 
and realise that this isn't so.  Either that or see what his father is 
reduced to in Voldemort's presence.  The fawning and bowing and "yes, my 
Lord" crap.  Draco's not above manipulating folks himself, but I wonder if 
he'd stoop to that sort of behaviour to get what he wants...he seems to 
have a strong sense of pride about him, and admitting he was wrong upon 
joining the good fight...heh..I don't see it happening.  I also don't see 
him suddenly being all goody-goody and righteous about things either, which 
is why I tend towards enlightened self-interest.  (And that's me being 
cynical too.)

Personally, I'm not overly fond of the character but I'd like to see him 
realise that his father is not a god and Voldemort couldn't care less about 
his supporters.  Draco could also easily be used as a bargaining chip to 
keep Lucius in line (or killed just as easily as, say, Potter's parents), 
since it's pretty obvious Lucius is so very ambitious and will stop at 
nothing to get what he wants...still, if Draco thinks so highly of his 
father, I doubt Lucius treats Draco badly at all.  Probably quite the 
opposite and being the only kid Lucius has (as far as we know), even if he 
didn't treat Draco well, losing his only heir would not be good and likely 
something Voldemort could use against Lucius if he were to step out of line.

Besides, Voldemort doesn't seem to keen on treating his loyal supporters 
well never mind those he deemed as slighting him in some respect.  Draco's 
not a stupid kid...a bit blinded at the moment, but not stupid.  My 
personal hope is he'll figure it out.  I would like to see that, besides 
Snape, you don't have to be "good" to fight for what's right.  Draco would 
be another good example of this.

>From: "fleurmellor" <fleurmellor at yahoo.com>
>Subject: R.E hermione as mirror of Snape
>I kind of mean this whole idea to illustrate that Hermione has what Snape 
>wanted in his school days to be 'in with the in crowd' eg the marauders. 
>I'm sure plenty of people dont agree with this but I can't help thinking 
>that from Snapes extreme reaction to Harry and apparently all the meddling 
>he did in the
>maraders affairs that he would have liked to have been friends with them, 
>and that his death-eater palls were second best. you have pointed out 
>Hermiones
>meddling in Harry and Rons buisness as her seeking friendship, I think
>Snapes nosing into the Marauders buisness was similar.


Either that or Snape was just a nosey git who liked to get others' in 
trouble if he could or just know things about others whether he'd use it or 
not (grew up with a few folks like this) or, well, there's always a simple 
"personality conflict" scenario to consider.  I'm not sure I agree myself 
with the idea that Snape wanted to be in with this particular "in 
crowd".  You'd think if he wanted too that badly, he would have taken an 
entirely different approach to getting in with them, rather than being 
nasty towards them, Slytherin or not.  But of course, that's me going on 
the theory that not all Slytherins were "evil" or "nasty" and the only 
reason we see them as such is because Harry does.

> > Porhyria wrote:
> > >I
> > >imagine that Snape might have gotten over
> > some
> > >of his
> > >intolerance
> > >from his DE days (directed against
> > Muggle-borns,
> > >for example.
>
>I always thought that Snape would have been a DE for mainly reasons of 
>getting Power and prestige and not been overly consumed with hatred for 
>Muggles/muggleborns. I'm sure he probably didn't really care less about 
>bad things happening to them but I cant imagine him hating someone just 
>because of their parentage.

Unless you're Harry Potter ;)

>There seems to be several things that hit the top on the 'Snape hate-
>o-meter' I would put fame seeking (real or percieved), stupidity,
>weakness, know-it-all-ness, people who have wronged him(again real or 
>percieved) and people who have made him look a fool before pure blood 
>issues as
>the things that really get his goat!

I agree with you on this one .  Heh..."Snape Hate-o-meter"  I like that one.

>From: "anavenc" <asilaite at hotmail.com>
>Subject: An idle thought on shipping R/H
>
>I often read that Rowling based Hermione's character on herself and
>Ron's--on her own best friend, what's-his-name.  Now, I don't know
>how a writer's mind works (and it's a shame, after all those months
>of reading fanfiction I should :)), but with romance not being the
>central theme of the books and all that... wouldn't it be more
>economical for Rowling to take a perfectly good best friends
>relationship from real life, maybe with some romantic interest at
>some point, but definitely just best  friends in the end... and just
>put it on paper instead of inventing something different for these
>two?

I have to admit, I would like to see Ron and Hermione get together, but at 
the same time, I can see what you're saying.  I think too, that a romantic 
relationship between Ron and Hermione, at least while the trio were still 
at Hogwarts, would change the whole dynamic of...what did Snape call them 
in CoS?  The Dream Team?  Anyway, Harry would suddenly be the fifth wheel 
and that could be interesting but also awkward, especially because he's 
such close friends with both of them and what happens if they have a spat 
or something...they're both going to run to Harry (I've been in this 
situation...it ain't fun).

So, maybe it's best it doesn't happen at all, or happens after the big War 
with Voldemort.

Teri