Voldie Intent (was: Anti-christ!whatever)

[Melody]

No: HPFGUIDX 46381

MartianHousecat wrote:
> Technically it's still possible for Voldemort to become an Anti-
> Christ parallel, if dramatically unlikely.  Fudge's suppression of
> information relating to his activities gives everyone's favourite
> Dark Lord a lot of room to maneuver, and if he's smart, he'll build
> up massive support while he can by pushing the law-and-order hot
> button.

Your post started me thinking.  I understand what Richelle and you are
trying to say.  We don't know what Voldie's plan for the WW.  We know
he wants to be immortal and take over the world, but obviously, he
does not want to rule just over a few still alive wizards.

Pip has pointed out Voldemort is quite smart and meticulous in his
planning.  He is also patient, which is a good virtue to have in a
dark lord.  From the graveyard, we know he desires to realign with the
dementors and giants.  I doubt their purpose is to help in the
landscaping of Voldemort City.  So we are left to wonder why he wants
them.  It can be two possibilities:

(a) Voldemort wants to persecute all those who are against his taking
over the world and having mean, killing happy beasts aid in his plan.
 Thus everyone lets him take over out of fear.

-or-

(b) Voldemort wants to use the dementors and giants in a way to make
the WW think the "good guys" are bringing about the carnage.  It is
their doing that the dementors and giants are causing so much trouble;
therefore, the "good guys" should be restricted.  Thus everyone thinks
Voldemort has the better grip on the WW and should rule over it.

Hmm, did that make any sense?  Basically, Voldemort is twisting his
intent behind the prejudices and viewpoints of the common wizards.  It
is the political thing to do as well.  We know Voldemort is smart
enough to figure this out.


I wrote:
>>I guess the question is why are the Death Eaters followers of
>>Voldemort?  What would they have to gain?  Don't they know evil
>>*always* looses to good?  Have they not studied history?  Well that
>>is a possibility with the way Prof. Binns teaches, and who know how
>>long that ghost has been at Hogwarts.

MartianHousecat pointed out:
>No, they don't know that evil always loses to good because, well,
>that's a literary cliché, not a historical fact.  And I'd have to
>say  it's very likely the DEs don't _know_ they're in a book ;)

Sorry, I should of put a sarcastic smile note in there.  I did not
mean to say directly that good always wins.  Over time we tend to
believe it (or rather hope it), but it is definitely not true.  From
an American perspective, we believe the "good guys" won the
Revolutionary War.  I'm sure the Brits have something to say about
that.  ;)


> Why do the DEs follow Voldemort?  Probably because they _do_ have
> something to gain, should his goals be accomplished.  The greatest
> motivators are threats to wealth, religion, family and culture.

I would say the death-eaters follow Voldemort because he has strong
coat tails.  When you are not powerful enough to accomplish the takes
you want, then you align yourself with people who can raise you up to
the power you desire.  I think that, with a side of fear, is the
motivation of the death-eaters.

Do they follow him for his ideals?  Possibly.  I don't think they all
are little Voldemort disciples, but I am sure a few are.


>I'd argue that his 'death-happy wand' is actually harmful to his
>campaign.  People are only ignoring him because they don't want their
>peaceful lives disrupted and they'll keep on ignoring him until his
>presence is shoved in their faces.

Um, that was what I was trying to say as well.  Guess it got a bit
muddled.  The fact he is raping and pillaging the WW into a state of
fear and paranoia was not really helping his case of "wooing"
followers and supporters.  No one likes to see their neighbor die.
His attempt to bring followers so far are just bringing the piddly
ones that are too weak to oppose him.


> Well actually he [Hitler] didn't brainwash a nation, he just gave
> the people someone to blame for their problems by tapping into an
> existing prejudice, which would be soooo easy for Voldemort to do a
> la the Muggles.  But.  He's not going to.  He strikes me as just a
> bit too wacky to get it together and really lead an effective coup.

Oooo, good point.  I am not a WWII buff, so I am sorry to glaze over
that obvious point.  "Brainwashing" was too harsh a term really on my
point.  I'm sorry.  I meant no ill will.  But you point is what made
me think of the reasons for the dementors and giants I wrote above.
Voldemort is trying to place blame on the "good side" to bring the WW
against them.

Melody
who wants everyone to note I did not reference to The Bible once in
this post, thank you very much  :)