TBAY: MD's third strain QB(a side venture from Spy!Snape)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 47071

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Melody is explaining to Alla that DISHWASHER is disprovable:
> "If, in fact, we find out in future books that Dumbledore has not 
> been scheming and planning and it is proven that he in fact has not 
> helped bring about the rebodiment of Voldemort, then MD is 
disproven 
> and there would be a big party thrown by Marina at the tavern I 
> assure you."
> 
> "I see your point." says Alla. "So DISHWASHER is disprovable?"
> 
> 
> The Pipsqueak plays her voice recorder again. This time it's 
> Melody's voice which comes out:
> "MD's hands are completely tied to the fact that Dumbledore is a
> general of war and that he has made aggressive strategic plans to 
> "So the DISHWASHER is not the same thing as the Safe House?" says 
> Alla, obviously puzzled.
> 
> "NO! The Safe House is a haven for spies, conspiracy theorists, and 
> fans of Agatha Christie. It's very much associated with the 
> DISHWASHER because DISHWASHER *is* based around the idea of an 
> intelligence war – so DISHWASHER supporters usually have a room in 
> the Safe House. But residents can always wash their own dishes if 
> they like – you don't have to use any magical kitchen appliances at 
> all to move into the Safe House."
> 
> The Pipsqueak suddenly realises that she may have been a little 
> vehement. Alla is shrinking back into her chair, trying to make 
> herself look as small and harmless as possible.

HA! First of all thanks for answering my question. I appreciate it.  
I do understand the difference betwen Safe House and MAGIC DISHWASHER 
I have nothing against SAFE HOUSE, MD on the other hand is totally 
different story. 
SO, even if it turns out that Dumbledore made many aggressive 
strategic plans in case Voldemort resurrects, but did nothing to 
help, MD is disproven. That is good, because this would be the turn 
of events I would love to happen
 
> > She sips the tea. "Personally, I feel that the only correct 
answer 
> to `do the ends justify the means' is to ask yourself `which ends, 
> which means' and then proceed on a case by case basis. End: Ridding 
> the world of a very powerful, evil and immortal megalomaniac. 
Means: 
> letting him become temporarily *more* powerful because that will 
> ultimately make him more vulnerable. Alternative: Do nothing, allow 
> Voldemort to continue murdering Albanian peasants and stray DADA 
> teachers, hope Voldemort doesn't find his own re-embodiment 
> solution. Leave the entire problem to the next generation. Yup, the 
> alternative sounds really moral to me."
> 
> "That is not what I am actually talking about!" says Abigail in 
> exasperation. "why it's best to resurrect Voldemort now rather then 
> wait in the hopes that he is never resurrected - I know that 
> argument and it makes sense to me, but it's hardly germane to this 
> discussion. The point for me is that Dumbledore set events in 
motion 
> that brought about people's deaths." The fact that he isn't 
> responsible for those deaths doesn't exonerate him from complicity 
> in them. Or at least it shouldn't. And here I *am* going to make a 
> moral determination. A Dumbledore who could look at the deaths of 
> Bertha Jorkins, and Frank Bryce, and Cedric Diggory, and the many 
> deaths that are coming and say 'I had no hand in that' *is* 
immoral, 
> and I want nothing to do with him."

ME: I am with Abigail on this one. I think that MD Dumbledore has 
already crossed the line, which in my opinion Dumbledore would not 
cross.

> The Pipsqueak glares. "And my point is that the alternative he had 
> was to leave a sequence of events in motion that would still have 
> resulted in people's deaths. Voldemort is a killer. Voldemort has 
no 
> need whatsoever to kill Cedric. He could have had Pettigrew use 
> Snape's rope trick, tied Cedric up, and had him completely unable 
to 
> help Harry in any way. But he just orders `the spare' killed.

ME:I don't think that this is the only alternative Dumbledore has. 
Nobody expects him to sit around and just wait and see whether 
Voldemort will resurrect or not. He can make any plans and 
preparations in case resurrection will happen. He can and should take 
this possibility into account, but not FORCE Voldemort to come back 
if there is even a tiny possibility that he would not be able to do 
it. Of course, I think that Dumbledore did not cross that line and it 
does not make him less capable leader of WW.


Alla, who hopes to learn how to write TBAY post one day, but for now 
just flattered to be mentioned in one.