Snape and the Potters

[jodel at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 47144

aja_1991 reminds us;

>>You've suggested that the male voice Harry heard urging Lily to take Harry 
and run was not James, and suggested that voice was either Lupin, Snape, or 
Lucius Malfoy<<

Actually, the only canon evidence (circumstancial, but canon) for ANYone 
other than Voldemort being present is an argument for the presence of Peter 
Pettigrew.

(The matter of Voldemort's wand is still unexplained but suggestive. More on 
this below.)

IF the voice Harry heard was Peter's, then we have some hint of a cover story 
having been planned. (Peter having shown up first to "give the alarm" that 
the secret had been forced out of him and that Voldemort was coming. The 
offer to try to "hold him off" while Lily made a getaway would have been 
covered by a stunning spell "I don't know why he didn't kill me" and with the 
news of Sirius's murder -- which was always phase 2 of the opperation -- 
Peter would have been left to console the widow, and keep on spying.) BTW, I 
like the possibility that James had already been killed. It would make it 
even more likely that Lily had taken refuge in the Muggle world. (Godric's 
Hollow is probably a wizarding district tucked inside a larger Muggle 
community of some other name, much as Diagon Alley is in London.)

The question of how Voldemort got his wand back is one of the chief links we 
have between him and Pettigrew. Because unless Voldemort took his wand with 
him in his disembodied state (not disproven, but seems unlikely) there is no 
way in which he could have had his OWN wand back early enough to kill Bertha 
Jorkins unless Peter brought it to him. We saw Peter steal Lupin's wand in 
order to make his escape at the end of Poa, so he evidently DID leave his own 
at his staged "murder" site, and had not kept Voldemort's with him. But he 
must have stashed it somewhere for safekeeping, retrieved it and left with it 
for Albania. 

It is uncertain whether he took control of Bertha Jorkins using Voldemort's 
wand or Lupin's. But the breaking of the memory spell that Crouch placed on 
her was almost certainly done internally by way of possession by VaporMort a 
la Quirrel. Peter brought her to Voldemort, who possessed her, proceeded to 
shred her mind for whatever she knew, and with the use of her body set up the 
processes necessary to make the transition from VaporMort to BabyMort. This 
must have been a two-person task, or he would have done it earlier. By the 
time he made the transition and released her body, Bertha would have been 
dying anyway and the AK merely finished her off. 

For the record. I'm not at all convinced that Peter wore the Dark Mark while 
he was spying inside Dumbledore's organization. The one he has now may be a 
fresh one he got in Albania.

>>It does suggest that the voice belongs to someone Harry has never (yet) 
met, which would rule out people like Sirius, Peter, Remus, Lucius, Fudge, 
Arthur Weasley, Hagrid, Dumbledore, Snape, Flitwick, Macnair, Crouch (Sr. and 
Jr.), etc. <<

Er. At the time of this particular scene with Remus Lupin, Harry had not yet 
met either Sirius OR Peter, either of the Crouches, or even McNair. He knew 
none of their voices.

-JOdel