accidental magic

[Indigo]

No: HPFGUIDX 47451

Jazmyn: 

> > Note that the 'accidental magic' happens during stress and is not
> > controlled.  Takes a wand to control it properly..
> > You simply don't see kids under 11 given THEIR OWN wands.. Young 
Kevin
> > and his daddy's wand is not an example of children being allowed 
wands
> > because he was not supposed to be playing with it.  Frankly 'mom' 
should
> > have been as frantic as if she walked in on her kid playing with 
a .357
> > magnum, in my opinion..
> >
> > Jazmyn

Alina:
> 
> Jazmyn, your point was that magic doesn't kick in until kids are 11 
years
> old. My point is it does. It may be induced by stress, yes, and 
something in
> me seriously doubts that muggles can fly brooms. I think it takes 
magic for
> a brook to actually start floating when you say "Up!" and for a 
muggle it
> wouldn't do anything. That's arguable, I know.
> 
> As for the child with the wand... No, mom shouldn't have been 
frantic as if
> the kid was holding a gun. A gun can kill if the person holding it 
is strong
> enough to squeeze the trigger. A wand can't do serious magic unless 
the
> person holding it is a trained adult. 


Indigo:

I'm not so sure about that, Alina. If the kid could intentionally 
blow up slugs at the World Cup with Daddy's wand, what's to say that 
he couldn't do worse if he really set his will to it?  

Remember, kids don't have the same scruples and rules-related 
knowledge and restrictions of their abilities as older kids/adults 
do.  

A wand in the hand of a particularly gifted or particularly strong-
willed kid could potentially be very dangerous.

Harry got Expecto Patronum as a third year, and Remus told him it 
might be far too advanced for a student his age, because there were 
full-fledged wizards who still hadn't mastered Expecto Patronum. 

Harry doesn't study as hard as Hermione does, but he mastered a spell 
that a teacher said was likely going to be too hard for him to 
master.  And this is with time and history against him; he had grown 
up magic-free for his 11 years, as opposed to some of his all-wizard 
friends, like Ron and Neville.  

This, to me, implies that kid wizards have a great deal of untapped 
potential that they only have to focus really hard to realize 
magically.

Alina:
Remember Crouch!Moody told the class
> that if they all got their wands out and started screaming "Avadar 
Kedavra"
> he wouldn't even get a nosebleed. 

Indigo:
I'm not so sure about this.  

Hermione was doing more advanced magic than the first years her first 
year, because of her desire to be good at everything.

See the Patronus mention above.  Harry can do advanced magic far 
beyond NEWT level in his third year.  If that's possible for him, 
it's possible for other wizards [though Harry is, in fairness, a 
special case, due to the Voldemort-touch having given him some of the 
big V's powers].

[Just as Lockhart was useless at most magic but had a facility for 
Memory charms, by contrast]. 

Fake!Moody could've just been saying that as a precaution so that 
none of the kids would/could try.   I could just see the subject 
coming up and  Malfoy sneering at Harry and yelling "Avada Kedavra!" -
- even if it does require a full-trained wizard to be a kill-spell, 
Draco's ill-will plus the exponentially growing malice Draco holds 
for Harry might well have given the spell *some* potency, if not 
lethal-level.

This would've resulted in Ron yelling "Avada Kedavra" back at Draco, 
and Crabbe and Goyle yelling it back at Ron, and it would've become 
an Unforgivable Curses brawl for any kid in DADA class who wasn't too 
afraid [Neville] or who wasn't disrespectful of the rules 
[Hermione].   

Practially and rationally speaking: I think Fake!Moody thought it 
better to convince the fourth years that even attempting Avada 
Kedavra would be a waste of time and effort.  

[snip]

--Indigo
[nursing a post-Feast Wars headache]