[HPforGrownups] Re: DISHWASHER Objection

[Christopher Nuttall]

No: HPFGUIDX 45243

"I would have to say that there were probably several ways in which V'mort
could get himself a body back, and it just so happened that the formula we
know and love from GoF was either the easiest to do, the fastest, or the
most effective.  If there were ten or twelve routes back to embodiment for
V'mort---or nobody _knew_ about the Dark Magicks he apparently adapted to
his fell purpose---then putting a guard on the graveyard would either not
prevent him coming back, or not be known to be a useful precaution."

I don't know if any of you read 'Judge Dredd', but there's a character called Judge Death who's catchphase (used to taunt judges') is "You cannot kill what does not live".  In PS, Dumbledore says that Voldemort can never die, does he mean that if he remains as a ghost Voldemort can't be destroyed?  Certainly Peeves is very annoying, but no one seems to be able to get rid of him - or does he serve some useful purpose?  Therefore, disposing of Voldemort  completly requires that Voldemort be back as flesh and blood.

If Voldemort remains as a ghost, he's effectily powerless, which means that the contest between him and Dumbledore is in stalemate - which can only end with Voldemort winning - because Dumbledore himself is mortal and one day will die.  

Chris
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eric Oppen 
  To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: DISHWASHER Objection




  > --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Grey Wolf" <greywolf1 at j...> wrote:
  > > --- In HPforGrownups at y..., "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> wrote:
  > > > All Dumbledore had to do was have an agent keep a secret
  > > > watch on the graveyard. Dobby would be ideal. He can  conceal
  > > > himself and and he can transport himself instantly to Hogwarts.
  > > > Dobby could have reported to Dumbledore as soon as the
  > > > re-embodiment was begun.
  > >
  > <snip scenario of Dumbledore killing Voldemort as soon as V. is
  > disembodied>
  >
  > > Any agent sent by Dumbledore wouldn't have been able to pass
  > undetected
  > > for such a long time. Besides, the gathering didn't necessary have
  > to
  > > happen in the graveyard: Peter could have sneaked in with a
  > shovel,
  > > take a sample and left, and any agent around wouldn't have dared
  > follow
  > > him (and if he did, he'd soon join Frank in death, whatever excuse
  > he
  > > would use). And, of course, Dumbledore cannot risk that Voldemort
  > > starts asking questions about the potion. He wants him to use it
  > by
  > > making it the easiest option (as if he knew nothing about it).

  Actually, had I been D'dore and known that the way V'mort was going to
  revive himself involved "bone of the father," I'd have been pretty quick to
  make sure that said bone was _not_ available.  Playing "musical coffins"
  (IOW either switching the tombstones around so that Riddle Sr's stone was
  over some poor unrelated schmuck, or switching the coffins themselves
  around) would have ensured that when W'tail did his spell, it would not have
  worked as planned.  ("Wormtail, you IMBECILE!" shrieks Voldemort, who just
  found out the hard way that the old prankster Dumbledore emptied out his
  daddy's coffin and replaced all the bones with those of a sheep, "How am I
  going to impress my Death Eaters looking like THIS?  You ba-a-a-a-d wizard,
  you!")

  Or if they have qualms about that, the coffin could have been disinterred
  and cremated (if necessary, the government could order this---the Minister
  of Magic goes to see the Muggle PM, and hey presto, whatever paperwork is
  needed magically appears!) or buried at sea.  In any case, once "bone of the
  father" is no longer available or accessable, bang goes V'mort's chances for
  re-embodying himself.

  I would have to say that there were probably several ways in which V'mort
  could get himself a body back, and it just so happened that the formula we
  know and love from GoF was either the easiest to do, the fastest, or the
  most effective.  If there were ten or twelve routes back to embodiment for
  V'mort---or nobody _knew_ about the Dark Magicks he apparently adapted to
  his fell purpose---then putting a guard on the graveyard would either not
  prevent him coming back, or not be known to be a useful precaution.


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