[HPforGrownups] Voldemort and AK (was:Re: Why is AK unforgiveable)

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No: HPFGUIDX 45244

At 17:21 11/10/02 +0200, Rita wrote:

>Is this part of MAGIC DISHWASHER or there is some sort of evidence that he's
>mortal again? To have a body is not the same as being mortal, as I see it.
>He had a body when the AK rebounded and even though this was destroyed he
>didn't die. I completely share in Eloise's doubts.

 From the speech to the DEs, it would seem that Voldemort is mortal again:

"But I was willing to embrace mortal life again, before chasing 
immortality.  I set my sights lower ... I would settle for my old body back 
again, and my old strength. I knew that to achieve this - it is an old 
piece of Dark Magic, the potion that revived me tonight - I would need 
three powerful ingredients.  (etc)"

What I find interesting in that is the phrase "my old body". Now, as far as 
we know, Voldemort has had four states: first as Tom Riddle, second the 
form he had after the "changes" Dumbledore mentioned he underwent upon 
leaving Hogwarts, third the pure spirit form after the AK rebound off him, 
and fourth the ugly baby form we met at the beginning of GoF. To which "old 
body" is he referring? His incarnation as all-powerful Voldemort was 
quasi-immortal (if not truly immortal; my reading of canon is inconclusive 
- for instance, in the above quote, does "chasing immortality AGAIN" imply 
that his previous chase was successful, or not?), so it can't be this one 
(in his speech, Voldemort "settles" for that incarnation). Obviously it's 
not Vapour!Mort nor is it Baby!Mort, which would indicate that post 
rebirthing, he should have resumed Tom Riddle's human form. Which he 
patently does not.

Any views?

> >Speaking of which, if you are a follower of MAGIC DISHWASHER, there is
> >one more thing you have to consider: the potion Volodemort used was
> >flawed, and it will, in the end, prove to be one of the reasons for his
> >downfall - or at least that seems to be Dumbledore's plan.
>
>
>May I add that even without being a follower of MD one can believe, as I do,
>that the potion is flawed and LV biggest problems will come from this?

My own view (as a non-MD follower - have my recent posts left any doubt?) 
:-) is that the potion itself wasn't flawed; i.e. the "recipe" was 
correctly put together and the ingredients obviously worked. What was 
flawed was the insistence on using Harry's blood, which clearly is special 
in some way we have yet to discover, hence THAT Gleam. In the long term, 
Voldemort will discover that choosing a lesser enemy's blood may have been 
a wiser choice...