Pre-MAGICAL DISHWASHER Plan

[Melody]

No: HPFGUIDX 45293

Grey Wolf wrote:
> We both live at the safe house, in theory bay (I in the garden, Pip
in the house itself), so it's not as if you have to go very far to
leave each copy...<

Me:
Well if that's the case then my owl Errol owl could of made it.  I was
a little concerned about his stamina.


Grey Wolf continued:
>>>...although I'm going to pick a few details with your own
variation,...<<<<

Me:
I expected so much.


Grey Wolf:
>>>...I have quite liked it. It's not 100% compatible with my own view
of MAGIC DISHWASHER, but it's perfectly all right, really.<<<

Me:
Really?  I'm blushing.  Thanks.

But let me try and work this so we both can be happy...or at least
work a truce for the best of the theory.

Now your issues are with:
1)Harry is Voldemort's main target, i.e. focused goal at present
2)Flawed potion is the main focus of Dumbledore's offense from the
	 time after VaporMort came into being


As you summed up so nicely and quickly:
(just for those that don't have the "up thread" buttom: the theory
states that Dumbledore plan was tempting Voldemort out of Albania with
the PS and Harry, and that the flawed potion idea didn't come up until
that one failed)

Now let's start with issue #1.
Really this is two fold for you.  On one hand, Dumbledore being the a
good, protective and not sadistic war-leader would not knowingly place
Harry into harms way.  This is the issue many have in this group.

I wonder if Dumbledore really thought Harry was ever in danger in
PS/SS.  True Dumbledore does come down after Harry into the Mirror
room where he *says* he came to save Harry, but was Harry ever really
in danger?  Harry's given defenses, whether by blood or concocted,
protected him quite well.  He did not need a wand.

I will say that TMTMNBN has blurred my memory of the canon, but
basically the whole scene revolves around Voldemort as QuirrelMort
getting to a place away from the rest of the students and WW.  Harry,
with coxing from Dumbledore, with invisibility cloak and mirror, and
McGonagall, trying to ward him away from the third floor corridor
(what 11 year old would just let it go after that), went after the
*thief* because it was his duty in his mind.  He knew too much and yet
not enough to not avoid the mirror.

Don't you find it odd that Dumbledore believed the owl that came for
him and "went off" to London.  He knows about Quirrell from Snape and
knows Harry and Co. have figured out how to get past Fluffy.  I even
bet Dumbledore prodded Hagrid to whittle the wooden flute for Harry's
Christmas present.  Dumbledore knew that night was The Night
QuirrelMort was going after the stone.  He did not try to protect
Harry and Co. from following.

Because, and this is my point, Harry has to face Voldemort alone for
some reason.  Dumbledore knows this.  Dumbledore uses this.  Whether
it is written in the stars or on a old manuscript, it seems very clear
that Harry is the one that can defeat Voldemort.  If Dumbledore could
then he would of already.  Gracious he knows where the guy is at all
the time.  Well maybe not in GoF, but Dumbledore keeps close
tabs...very close tabs on Voldie.

I think I might of gotten a little off track...hmmm...ok.  Harry as
Voldemort's main target.  True, I don't think Voldemort is just after
Harry for the sake of revenge.  His reasons would be too shallow to
risk *dying* again.  Voldemort is just after Harry for the same reason
he was in the first place.

Voldemort does not seem to have the same sort of unforgetting temper
Snape and Black.  He cannot afford too.  Voldemort, in a strange way,
has more class than that.  He could pass over Harry as a fluke and
move on with little resistance if...Harry wasn't a threat.

For some reason Voldemort fears our little Harry Potter.  That is
where y'all's theory come in.  Voldemort still is unsure about Harry
in the graveyard.  Lulled by the Order of Phoenix's carefully placed
information, Voldemort uses Harry for his potion.  Hey and while the
brat is there, let's see if Voldemort can kill him again.  After all,
the potion and supporters are still there.  They could make up another
body quickly and...so something with Harry.

I know got a bit off track from MD, but I was musing.

Now, I am fine with dropping Harry as main target bit.  I really don't
buy it that much anyway.  My feeling is that Dumbledore places Harry
in the picture becuase it is Harry that has had the greatest effect on
Voldemort.  As in sports, you put your best player on the field when
you need him most.  (I think I have watched too much football this
weekend.)

Now Point 2.  What was it again....oh yes.  Flawed potion is
Dumbledore's main defense form the beginning.  Thus also saying that
they *knew* Voldemort can only be killed in his own body.

I'll begin with part one.  I am sure the potion has been on his mind.
 I see the Order sitting around throwing out ideas each knows.  Snape
suggests this potion.  Flamel says hey I have this stone.  Dumbledore
likes the potion better since his friend does not have to die in the
end.  So, they focus on the potion for a few years.  Leaking out just
a little to make Voldemort believe he is not intended to know...am I
getting this right Grey Wolf?

Now, even with all this info coming his way, VaporMort is still in
Albania.  Maybe, and big maybe, they somehow push Quirrell towards
Albania.  I am NOT saying they manipulated him to the evil side, man
it is so hard not to call it the dark side <g>.   They just gave the
already Evil!Quirrell a push towards Albania putting the gears into
motion.  They leaked out that the stone was being put in the vault
because Flamel was doing some remodeling...did not want the painters
to play with it...

Now, with Voldemort coming to London, much needed to be prepared.  The
stone was moved out of Flamel's care to the vault.  Harry was coming
of age at the time and was introduced to the whole WW.  The stone was
decided as bait by Dumbledore because it was the easiest method within
tangible reach of Voldemort.

Now, two things might happen.  They capture Voldemort in the safe,
this might just be hopeful, or Voldemort hangs around giving them time
to arrange plan 2 - the mirror maze of obstacles.  Both hopes relies
on the Order capturing Voldemort somehow into a situation he cannot
control. This could be so:

a) Harry could defeat him, since they are not sure whether Voldie can
be killed when occupying another body or not
-or-
b) They could force him into a cauldron and perform the needed potions
to give Voldie back him body so then Harry could defeat him

Now, my theory relies on the fact that they were not sure yet whether
Voldie can or cannot be killed in another person's body, and that
Harry is the only known one that can affect Voldemort.  This is an
important part of the plan and thus needs to be explored by them.  If
Voldemort can be killed in another's body then Flamel can stay alive,
and Voldie can no longer be a threat, and all is good and fair in the
land.

I think that is why the whole Mirror room part was necessary.  That
distinction needed to be made.  It has been said that no one else but
Voldemort has explored the realms of immortality as far as he had.
This makes him a special case that needed special precautions.

My theory thus far lies on the fact that Harry is the one that must
defeat Voldemort.  That is what the Order is trying to make happen.
But yes, immortality and a body for Voldie was the bait more than
Harry. I agree.

I am not sure whether or not the flawed-potion being the intent the
whole time really matter which is what you hinted at in the beginning
of your post Grey Wolf.  I am sure over the ten years they had to
think of all the possibilities.  That was why they could works so
smoothly over the last 3 years after Voldie resurfaced.  They had
back-up plans once they proved this one would not work.

I hope I made myself more clear.  I can get a little off track
sometimes in my train of thought.


Oh one last quote:
> Grey Wolf, who would be very happy if Melody decided to join the
MAGIC DISHWASHER org, with a honorary membership for adding a variation.<

Me still blushing:
Really?  My own room in the theory house?  Why I don't know what to say.

Melody
who is sorry for those at home for being so long winded lately.  I
find it amazing that I have spent my whole day trying to work this
theory out.  I think it still need a bit of ironing though.