TBAY: Some can(n)on for you

[bluesqueak]

No: HPFGUIDX 45528

Pip!Squeak looks up from her intensive cataloguing and notices 
Pippin dancing around outside the Safe house. She appears to have 
one, very small cannon with her.

"Look at that! " says Melody. "One of the wheels is hanging off! 
She's misquoted it!"

Pipsqueak sighs deeply. This battle has got pretty vicious, she 
thinks. Especially in the middle of building the TBAY flood 
defences. However, it probably is time to get the can(n)on for the 
Safe House rolled out and placed for proper defence.

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Some Facts about references to:
 
[1] Undercover Agents. 

I define these as people definitely confirmed in canon as having 
been acting `undercover' (pretending to be a person they are not, or 
adopting a persona they do not have) according to a plan by 
Voldemort, or Dumbledore.

Note that Mrs Figg, who is assumed by 99% of the list to have been 
acting as Harry's undercover bodyguard, is not included – she is not 
yet confirmed as Arabella Figg of the `old crowd'. Until she is so 
confirmed, Dumbledore has no *confirmed* undercover agents; 
speculate as we may.

Equally, Lucius Malfoy, is not confirmed as acting for Voldemort – 
in fact, if we make the *assumption* that Voldemort was telling the 
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in the Graveyard 
Scene, then canon is against Malfoy being an active 
Voldemort `agent'.

Note that `Voldemort is telling the truth' IS an assumption, not 
canon – he is detected as a liar in PS/SS (fight against Harry) and 
in FBAWTFT where it is revealed that there are no such things as 
werewolf pups.

There is good evidence that Voldemort is using undercover agents in 
the Voldemort wars Phase II.

*PS/SS*
Quirrel. The turban does not appear until the feast at Hogwarts 
(except in TMTMNBN). When he tries to steal the Stone from 
Gringotts, he is acting of his own free will to perform a Voldemort 
plan. His adopting of `poor, stuttering Professor Quirrel' persona 
places him firmly in the `Undercover Agent' category. 

[Hagrid is acting as an `agent' for a secret plan by Dumbledore (ie 
hiding the Stone in Hogwarts) when he gets the Stone out of 
Gringott's, but it's hard to imagine anyone LESS `undercover']

*CoS*
None confirmed.
Ginny Weasley is ensorcelled, and thus not acting of her own free 
will – it is also not confirmed in canon that planting the diary WAS 
a Voldemort plan. 


*PoA*
None confirmed. 
Peter Pettigrew is definitely undercover, but is (probably) not 
acting according to a Voldemort plan.

*GoF*
Crouch Jr, acting as Alistair Moody. 



[2] Persons confirmed as acting as spies or informers for either 
Voldemort or Dumbledore.

The definition of  `spy or informer' is that they *knowingly* passed 
information to either Voldemort or Dumbledore, without revealing 
that they were so doing to the other side.

Bagman is thus not included in this category, as it is not yet 
confirmed in canon that he *knew* the information he passed on went 
to Voldemort. He could just have been incredibly stupid, after all. 
[grin].

Equally Draco Malfoy, who is confirmed in canon as giving his father 
information about Hogwarts is not included; there is no strict canon 
evidence that this information is passed on to Voldemort, or that 
Draco would have any idea that it is being passed on to Voldemort if 
it is.

Karkaroff is also not included,as his information was given in 
rather public circumstances.

*PS/SS*
None confirmed. 

*CoS*
None confirmed.

*PoA*
Peter Pettigrew, AKA Wormtail, in the Voldemort wars Phase I.

*GoF*
Augustus Rookwood, in the Voldemort wars Phase I (for Voldemort)
Severus Snape, in the Voldemort wars Phase I (for Dumbledore)


Note that there are currently *no* confirmed spies or informers on 
*either* side in the Voldemort wars Phase II. There are confirmed 
DE's, but it is not yet confirmed in canon that they have been 
secretly passing information to Voldemort
.Equally, as I will show 
below, it is confirmed that Dumbledore is using `intelligence' in 
Phase II, but it is not yet confirmed that his sources are `spies or 
informers' according to the definition above.



[3]References to Spies and `Intelligence' in Canon.

Note that `Intelligence' is not necessarily gathered by active 
spies, even in the real world. 

*PS/SS*
No references to Dumbledore or Voldemort using spies, intelligence 
or trying in any way to find out what the other side is up to.

[Note that Snape does try to find out what Quirrel is up to, but it 
is not confirmed in canon that he was acting for Dumbledore].

*CoS*

"
my sources tell me that he [Lord Voldemort] is currently hiding in 
the forests of Albania" [Dumbledore, Ch. 18, p. 242, UK paperback]

Note that while this is not proof that Dumbledore is using `spies or 
informers' it is proof that he is collecting `intelligence' 
[information] on Voldemort.

No references to Voldemort collecting information or using spies.

*PoA*
Fudge: "Dumbledore, who was of course working tirelessly against You-
Know-Who, had a number of useful spies." [PoA, Chapter 10, UK 
hardback, p.152]

[note that Fudge refers to Dumbledore having spies, plural.]

"He [Dumbledore] was sure that somebody close to the Potters had 
been keeping You-Know-Who informed of their movements." Said 
Professor McGonagall darkly. "Indeed, he had suspected for some time 
that someone on our side had turned traitor and was passing a lot of 
information to You-Know-Who."

[PoA, Ch. 10, UK hardback, p. 153. The `somebody' is later confirmed 
as Peter Pettigrew spying for Voldemort, not Sirius Black as 
McGonagall assumes here.]

Black: [accusing Peter Pettigrew of being a spy for 
Voldemort]. "You'd been passing information to him for a year before 
Lily and James died! You were his spy!"
[ PoA p.274, Ch. 19, UK hardback.]

*GoF*
Karkaroff: "Rookwood, who was a spy, and passed He Who Must Not Be 
Named useful information from inside the Ministry itself! 
 he used 
a network of well-placed wizards, both inside the Ministry and out 
to collect information - " [ GoF, UK hardback, Ch.30 p.512]

Dumbledore: "Severus Snape 
 rejoined our side before Lord 
Voldemort's downfall and turned spy for us
" [GoF, UK hardback, 
Ch.30 p.513]

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The Pipsqueak finishes, sighs, and turns to Melody. "How many canon 
is that?" She asks.

"Uh." Says Melody. Two confirmed secret agents, three confirmed 
spies, mentions of `a number of useful spies for Dumbledore' in 
Phase I and `a network of wizards collecting information run by 
Rookwood' for Voldemort in Phase I. That's 
 seven definite, 
absolutely confirmed canons that spies play a role in the Wizarding 
World, including two references to Dumbledore running a network of 
spies in Phase I, and that interesting reference to `my sources' in 
Phase II."

"The secret agents play a major role in PS/SS and GoF" says Grey 
Wolf. "And the denoument in PoA revolves around discovering who was 
the real spy on the Potters. Those are big canons."

"Yes, they are. But you have to be fair, Melody." Says the 
Pipsqueak. " Sources do not necessarily equal spies. Dumbledore 
*could* have had a `light on the road to Damascus' moment between 
Phase I and Phase II and become Pippin's chivalrous knight who 
prefers stumbling blindly into battles."

Grey Wolf and Melody stare at the Pipsqueak. Who shrugs. 

"Sorry." She says. "But the tone of some of the recent attacks have 
been getting to me. Suggesting the Safe House has no right to exist 
is, frankly, a bit ridiculous. It has some very solid canon to 
defend itself with. "

"You haven't mentioned the DISHWASHER." Says Melody. 

"Why should I?" says the Pipsqueak. The DISHWASHER has two major 
posts 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/39662

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/40044

plus nearly two hundred posts arguing for and against it. Ridiculous 
claims about `circular reasoning' and `based on faith' 
notwithstanding, the only thing that's going to knock the DISHWASHER 
out of the Safe House is some nice solid canon in Book 5."

Grey Wolf, Melody and Pipsqueak all look nervously towards the sea 
front at the mention of Book 5.

"Yes, it's coming." Says the Pipsqueak quietly. "The BOOK FIVE will 
have enough canon to blast half the Bay out of the water. It's 
entirely possible a stray shot might hit the DISHWASHER. Or 
LOLLIPOPS. Or even the PRESSURE COOKER."

"But not the Safe House" says Grey Wolf. "We have canon."

"Indeed." Says the Pipsqueak. "So if you don't mind, I think I'll 
get back to the cataloguing I'm doing for the Flood Defenses. 

Pip


A comment for the `Dumbledore is always truthful' crowd.

"The truth. Dumbledore sighed. "It is a beautiful and terrible 
thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution."

[PS/SS Ch. 17, p. 216 UK paperback].

Think about it. [grin].