[HPforGrownups] Re: Robes/ Analyzing Fred & George (PoA)

[Richelle Votaw]

No: HPFGUIDX 45827

ingachristsuperstar wrote:

> >They are robes.  Cloaks are more like capes, they wrap around a
> >person.  They don't have sleeves.

GulPlum writes:

> Which is *exactly* my point. In TMTSNBN, the kids have cloaks. The
question is what they wear underneath the cloaks, which in TMTSNBN as well
as in
the books, aren't worn at all times (hence "winter cloaks"). There is
> absolutely no argument that the movie cloaks have a canonical origin.

Then I am thoroughly confused.  Because in TMTSNBN, the kids have both
cloaks and robes.  The cloaks have no sleeves and are rarely seen.  The
robes do have sleeves, front closure, etc.  If those with the sleeves are
cloaks, what are the ones without sleeves?  The ones I thought were the
cloaks?

Now, since that is rather off topic I will now change the subject. :)  A
while back I posted my musings of the twins, Fred and George in SS/PS and
CoS.  Here is what I found from PoA, with personal comments sprinkled
throughout:

Fred: (mocking Percy) "Harry! (bows deeply) Simply splendid to see you, old
boy--"
George: "Marvelous (seizes Harry's hand) Absolutely spiffing."
<Mrs. Weasley arrives>
Fred: "Mum!" (seizes her hand) "How really corking to see you--"
As Mrs. Weasley mentions Percy has been made head boy--second in the family,
Fred says "And last."
As Mrs. Weasley notes Fred and George haven't been made prefects,
George adds "What do we want to be prefects for? It'd take all the fun out
of life."
And on the topic of Percy, George comments: "We tried to shut him in a
pyramid, but Mum spotted us."

Fred asks "How're we getting to King's Cross tomorrow, Dad?"
George "explains" why they have cars from MoM: "It's because of you, Perce.
And there'll be little flags on the hoods, with HB on them--"
Fred: "--for Humongous Bighead."

Fred tells Harry that he and George have been "improving" Percy's Head Boy
badge (to read Bighead Boy).

Harry comes to the Gryffindor table, sits next to George, who says "New
third year course schedules.  What's up with you Harry?"  Ron sits on the
other side of George and points out Malfoy's fake "fainting."  George then
proceeds to tell how Malfoy went running into their compartment when the
dementors were at their end of the train.  Fred says Malfoy "Nearly wet
himself."  To which George adds "I wasn't too happy myself.  They're
horrible things, dementors."  Fred says "Sort of freeze your insides, don't
they."  Harry comments about how they didn't pass out, to which George
responds "Forget it, Harry."  Proceeds to explain how Mr. Weasley had to go
out to Azkaban once and came back "all weak and shaking."  Notice here,
*Fred* promptly changes the subject to the safe topic of Quidditch.  Hmm.

Next scene with the twins is Oliver's big speech.  Last year, last chance,
etc.  George inserts "We think you're very good too, Oliver."  And then
(only after George, notice) Fred adds "Spanking good Keeper."  Mmhmm.

This I found interesting, the team's talking about facing Hufflepuff, and
Cedric Diggory.  Fred is the only one who makes a comment here.  George
stays out of it all together.  Fred has this to say about Cedric: "He's only
silent because he's too thick to string two words together." And goes on to
say how Hufflepuff will be a pushover.  I *think* that's the only time
anyone says something rude about the pretty soon to be dearly departed
Cedric.

Next time the twins have lines is after the dementors come to the Quidditch
game and Harry is in the hospital after his fall off the broom.  Now,
normally it is George who asks the how are you, what's wrong, etc.
questions.  Here, however, it is Fred who breaks the silence with "Harry!
How're you feeling?"  And adds "You fell off.  Must've been--what--fifty
feet?"  Now, keep in mind the entire team is there (with the exception of
Wood), plus Ron and Hermione.  Ron was still speechless.  Hermione was
speechless (except for a little squeak), and we see George was still
speechless too.  It is left to Fred to say something (I mean, somebody had
to!)   George chimes in finally to explain what happened, how Diggory got
the snitch, tried to call it off, etc.  Harry, naturally is upset that they
lost, pretty much because of him (though he couldn't help what happened
anyway).  Fred's comfort is grabbing Harry's shoulder and shaking it roughly
(such a guy thing), and says "C'm on, Harry, you've never missed the Snitch
before."  George adds "There had to be one time you didn't get it."  Fred
explains how they could still win and so on, and tells Harry "you're still
the best Seeker we've ever had."

Next scene with the twins involves the Maruader's Map.  Fred pulls it out of
his cloak, George says it's the secret to their success.  Fred adds "It's a
wrench, giving it to you, but we decided last night, your need's greater
than ours."  George adds "Anyway, we know it by heart.  We bequeath it to
you.  We don't really need it anymore."  George begins to explain the map,
at Fred's request, though Fred takes over for the interesting parts.
Anyway, the general impression is that Fred was still slightly hesitant and
George leaned more toward giving it up to Harry.  May not be true, but
that's how I read it.

We find out from Ron that *Fred* gave him an acid pop when he was seven that
burnt a hole right through his tongue.  Interesting, Fred does always seem
to be behind the more nasty tricks.

Now after Scabbers has been supposedly eaten by Crookshanks, Fred tries to
"comfort" him.  One of his comments was "It was probably better off for him
to snuff it quickly--one swallow--he probably didn't feel a thing."  (yeah,
that's nice)  George added a rather practical and quite frankly true comment
"All he did was eat and sleep, Ron, you said it yourself."  Fred proceeds to
make light of the situation "His finest hour.  Let the scar on Goyle's
finger stand as a lasting tribute to his memory.  Oh, Come on, Ron, get
yourself down to Hogsmeade and what's the point of moaning?"  Oh, come on
Fred, get a grip!  (sorry, couldn't help it)  First, kids generally do go on
for a while after a pet dies.  Second, does Ron really have the money to go
buy a new rat?  I doubt it.

Okay, real quick through the rest of the book.  There's the Quidditch game
over Ravenclaw, where Fred and George say very little.  Then the last lines
from either of them in the book are from Fred.  Flint smashes Angelina.
Fred then chucked his Beater's club at the back of Flint's head.  Flint's
nose smashed into the handle of his broomstick and begin to bleed.  Madame
Hooch issues penalties to both Gryffindor and Slytherin (in this case seems
only fair, Fred did use excessive force).  Fred's response is to say (yell?)
to Madame Hooch "Come off it, Miss!"  Err, that was rather rude.  She is a
staff member, after all!

Well, what do you think of that?  First of all, George is less talkative in
this book than others.  Fred takes the lead here.  Second, we have Fred's
first show of concern for someone--Harry, as he awakens in the hospital
wing.  However, I still contend that the others (Ron, Hermione, George,
etc.) were in shock.  As Alicia said, they thought he'd died.  Fred, less
emotional usually, was composed.

Richelle