Harry and the Phoenix

[malady579]

No: HPFGUIDX 43473

Richelle wrote:
>>> Now, this brings up the shared characteristics of the heirs of
Slytherin/Gryffindor with the "pets."  Not sure if that's the right
word to use here, but anyway, Slytherin has the snake.  Tom Riddle was
a parseltongue.<<<

Melody writes:
Do you really think Riddle had the gift of talking to snakes purely
because he was the Heir of Slytherin?  I guess it would be hard for
the heir to work the chamber without it though.  Is it a kind of trait
that is passed down through the years or like a special anointing by
chance in the bloodline?  Salazar picking his heir through time.  Has
the gift of parseltongue always been in the family and only this
family?  Also makes it kind of lucky Riddle was brilliant along with
this special heir business.  After all, Riddle did not have anyone
that "passed" the Basilisk to him.  He just figured it out somehow.
It would be kind of bad for Salazar if his heir turned out to be as
talented as say Colin Creevey.  But never the less, the Heir of
Slytherin does have a special ?talent?, so brings us to wonder if
there is special talents for the Heir of Gryffindor, if in fact there
is one.


Richelle also wrote:
>>>So, what about the phoenix?  What qualities do the heirs of
Gryffindor have?

1) Some sort of magic in the eyes.  This comes from the healing powers
   of the Phoenix's tears, though I don't think Harry's tears will
heal anyone.  Except maybe his own emotional shakiness perhaps.
Anyway, tears do come *from* the eyes, though, thus it could be
symbolic.  (Green eyes, etc.) <<<

Melody writes:
While this idea does bring a new ?gift? to Harry for him to use in
defeating Voldie, I truly doubt it.  If Harry can heal with his eyes
like a phoenix, then I would think the heir of Slytherin could kill
with his eyes like the Basilisk.  Seems if it is meant to be a
parallel of houses, then the talents of both would be matched.


Richelle then quote and wrote:
>> 2) Got this from something in Smellee17's post:
	>Thinking about his desire for immortality, I thought about 	the title
of the fifth book. Phoenixes don't die, or at least 	they rise from
their ashes. What if the Order of the Phoenix 	is a group or
association, kind of like the Death Eaters, who 	are dedicated to
gaining phoenix-like powers.<
So, what if this is a quality given to the heirs of Gryffindor?  But
suppose only THE heir of Gryffindor could possess it. Thus, only one
at a time.  Thus, one has to give up their reign, so to speak, to pass
it on to another.  Hmm.<<

And thus I wrote:
True living forever does happen with the phoen...in a way.  The
phoenix keeps dying and then regenerating, but it must die.  Kind of
like a season.  It comes and goes and then comes again.  Kind of.
When Fawkes dies in Dumbledore?s office, it burst into flames and then
in its ashes came the baby phoenix Fawkes.  It is not a constant
strong adult presence though.  The phoenix dies and becomes a baby
phoenix once again.  Actually quite like Voldemort.  Hmm, never saw
that parallel before.  Anyway, in order for the Heir of Gryffindor to
have this power, he (or she :-) could be possible)  would live a while
then die in flames (not a pleasant way to die but I am assuming the
heir like the phoenix probably feels nothing?I hope) and then is
regenerated from birth in their old self?s ashes and grows to full
grown adulthood again.  Not exactly the picture of a strong gift for
the Heir of Gryffindor to have.

Maybe the Heir of Gryffindor should have the power of song like the
pheonix.  The heir breaks out into a dance number every now and then
to cheer moral.  That would be cool.  The suits of armour already like
to sing Christmas carols...though not very well.  I am sure Peeves
will love it very much.  Hmm, think I am on to something.  ;)

But seriously, the only gift the Heir of Slytherin does have, that I
see, is the ability of ?domesticating? or controlling the Basilisk,
which is also what Dumbledore has done with the phoenix, or has the
phoenix chosen him.  Which ever it is, I do agree with Richelle when
she said,

>>However, he's [Fawkes'] quite friendly with Harry.  Sitting on his
knee and all that.  Healing him, singing, etc.  Now, I admit in the
chamber of secrets if Fawkes *hadn't* healed Harry he'd be dead, but
in Dumbledore's office in GoF it wasn't totally necessary.  Fawkes was
being nice, he likes Harry.<<

Hehe, I don?t know why but that made me laugh.  Anyway, Fawkes is
definitely showing favoritism and the potential of shifting to a new
owner when Harry is old enough and Dumbledore is gone.  Harry does
have an ally in Fawkes since it (not sure if Fawkes is a girl or boy
phoenix) has come to Harry?s aid in the chamber and graveyard.  If
Fawkes is destined to become Harry's then I do hope Hedwig will share
Harry?s love and her cage with Fawkes.  She can be kind snooty and
jealous.

So the question returns to whether Fawkes is loyal to Gryffindor?s
heir or just to strong hearted, loyal wizards.  It really depends on
whether you believe there is a Heir of Gryffindor or not and if
Dumbledore is the heir.

Melody