Harry's wands in the graveyard/ other ponderings

[Grey Wolf]

No: HPFGUIDX 43890

Richelle Votaw wrote:
> Okay, first things first.  When the topic of who may have Cedric's
> wand came up, I immediately went and reread the entire graveyard
> scene for the umpteenth time.  Anyway, let's get this out of the way
> first.  It may be a simple error in wording, but how exactly did
> Harry's wand get from his hand into his robes?  Here we go (all
> quotes are from Scholastic paperback edition):
> 
>     Harry's hand had closed on Cedric's wrist; one tombstone stood 
>     between him and Voldemort, but Cedric was too heavy to carry, and 
>     the cup was out of reach--<snip Voldemort  raising wand>
>     "Accio!" Harry yelled, pointing his wand at the Triwizard Cup.  
>     It flew into the air and soared with him.  It flew into the air         
>     and soared toward him.  Harry caught it by the handle--
> 
> Okay, let me stop and evaulate here.  Harry is clutching Cedric's
> wrist in one hand.  In the other hand he has his wand, which he
> points at the cup.  Then he grabs the cup.  In which hand?  I'm
> assuming the one with the wand.  You know, kind of grabs it with
> three fingers, still holding the wand with two?  I don't see how he'd
> have had time to get the wand back in his robes and then getting his
> hand up in time to grab the cup.  

Harry is special trained to catch fast moving things (i.e the snitch), 
so he must have very fast hands: even of you and I couldn't quickly 
throw our hands into the robe to put back the wand and out again to 
catch the cup, it doesn't mean that Harry can't do it. However, this is 
not my main point.

The thing is, how much do you need to "grab" a portkey to activate it 
and be transported by it? Nothing, really: you just have to touch it, 
as Harry did with the shoe that took him to the forest near the camping 
ground. If Portkeys can be activated by contact (someone recently 
presented a theory that explains that portkeys are "armed" at a certain 
time and then activate as soon as someone touches them, which I loved. 
Sorry I can't remember who you are), then to activate the Portkey!Cup, 
Harry could have grabbed it with his little finger. I picture the cup 
as a quite big object, so that sort of hold would become very painful 
in a few seconds (not that Harry would notice, with all he was passing 
through), but the grab *doesn't* last seconds. He grabs it and is 
inmediately taken to Hogwarts. Harry then notices the cup, especially 
it's weight, and lets it go.

> All he's holding is the cup and Cedric.  So how does the wand get
> from his hand to his pocket/robes/wherever?  The next time Harry's
> wand is mentioned is in Moody's office when he thinks to himself
> he'll never reach it in time, then starts to reach for it as
> Dumbledore Stupefies Moody/Crouch.
> 
> Things like that bother me, though I'm sure its just an error.  Or an
> omission.

As I've said, he has fast hands, so he could've had time. But it's also 
possible that he doesn't put his hand away: it's still there, clutched 
between two fingers, and that Harry has forgotten about it (just like 
you forget you're wearing your glasses on the head and so on). When he 
arrives, it's still in his hand, and when Crouch!Moody takes him away, 
a part of his brain recognizes the wand, and puts it away without 
bothering the inform the conscient Harry of that every-day action (this 
happens frecuently: I could never, for the life of me, remember whether 
I've locked the door. So far, I always have, but it's such a common 
thing that I forget instantly).
 
> Now, as I was rereading the conversation between Moody/Crouch and
> Harry is Moody/Crouch's office, I noticed something that may or may
> not be worth anything:
> 
>     "The Dark Lord didn't manage to kill you, Potter, and he *so* 
>     wanted to," whispered Moody.  "Imagine how he will reward me when 
>     he finds I have done it for him.  I gave you to him--the thing he 
>     needed above all to regenerate--and then I killed you for him.  I 
>     will be honored beyond all other Death Eaters.  I will be his >     >     dearest, his closest supporter . . . closer than a son . . .."
> 
> Closer than a son? Hmm, interesting wording.  First of all, let me
> say that yes, it could just be an expression.  However, isn't the
> common expression "closer than a brother?"  At least around here it
> is.  Still, it could be just an expression, or it could be something
> more.  The slightest of hints . . . could the dark lord have a son???
> 
> Richelle

Please note that Crouch Jr. hates his real father and looks at 
Voldemort like a better father. What he intends is to change his real 
father by Voldwemort, and a lot of what he says and does on that scene 
reveals this longing. He sees many similar things between him and 
Voldemort, but he's still very aware of the fact that Voldemort is some 
40 years his senior, so they cannot be brothers. Besides, Crouch Jr. 
strikes me as a singular unloved fellow (at least *fatherly* love): he 
grew up looking for a father figure which Crouch Sr. didn't provide, 
and he found it in Voldemort.

Voldemort, uncapable of love, doesn't understand the cravings of Crouch 
Jr, but sees all the ways to use this sort of blind follower. Crouch 
Jr, on the other hand, truly believes that by proving himself worthy, 
Voldemort will accept him as a son (small chance, IMO), and that is 
what drives him to serve LV. I've always wondered about what moves the 
different types of DE, because so far the only two we know are Crouch 
Jr (which I don't think is a common circunstance) and Macnair, who 
joined for the pleasure of the blood, which may be a slightly more 
common motivation, but that is too crude for the types of Lucius.

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf