Why Hagrid STILL Won't Be Allowed To Do Magic

animagi_raven niemuthervin at worldnet.att.net
Fri Sep 13 02:54:02 UTC 2002


No: HPFGUIDX 43974

A raven circles vulture-like over the Quidditch pitch and then 
decends and lands on one of the goals.  There is a shimmering and 
then a man dressed in a large black cape and red robes is hanging 
from the goal fifty feet in the air.

"Oh, drat.  Well, I have two things to add this thread:

Hippogriff and Draco

The MoM might now consider Hagrid a repeat offender and clearing his 
name could be even more difficult.  I had always thought that the MoM 
would link his raising of the acromantula Aragog during Riddle's 
tenure at Hogworts and `the Buckbeak Incident' because, in their 
opinion, it would show a continuing trend of Hagrid putting others at 
risk of dangerous creatures.  Maybe the Buckbeak incident was bigger 
than it appeared to the trio because of this.  Maybe the flobberworms 
were ordered by Dumbledore because he didn't want another incident - 
he might have been using up too many favors at the MoM to keep Hagrid 
out of Azkaban.  (It was the previous year that he had to get Hagrid 
out of Azkaban.)  Continued incidents with dangerous beasts would 
indicate that Dumbledore could not keep an adequate watch over Hagrid 
and the MoM would be forced to step in and take some more extreme 
action.

I think I may have started the `stoned' mistake with my parenthetical 
statement in my previous post.  I tried to keep to canon right up to 
that point then slipped.

as Eloise pointed out (#43920 Wed Sep 11, 2002 9:56pm):
>Well, Myrtle was just *dead*, not turned to stone, just as Mrs. 
Norris, 
>Hermione and the other attacked students were inanimate, but *not* 
literally 
>turned to stone.

Some animal poisons do cause a rigid paralysis so poison from an 
acromantula could (maybe, possibly) cause a rigid paralysis described 
in CoS (FB says that they have a `poisonous secretion' (FB, p. 1)). 
Therefore it could (maybe) be blamed as the cause of death of Myrtle 
if you don't look too close for bite marks from a 2-meter (6-foot) 
spider.

I need to look up and see if there is any reference to others being 
injured.  It seemed like there were vague references to a period of 
anxiety but I did not remember anything other than Myrtle's death 
which is why I kept it limited to that.

I see that since I have been working on this post Gray Wolf and bb_mn 
have both posted on poisons and other student attacks.  I will leave 
that to them


Thanks guys!

If I may summarize how I see the chain of events during that time:

Tom Riddle opens the Chamber of Secrets and finds, among the 
contents, the basilisk.  During subsequent visits (at night?) two 
things happen:
1) he stumbles across Hagrid and the Aragog
2) he lets the basilisk out for a breath of fresh air as a sort of 16-
year-old-male power trip.

The basilisk walks backfire when Myrtle is killed, the rumor of the 
Chamber being opened is started, and students will not be allowed to 
stay over break.  Since examining the Chamber's secrets are his 
primary goal he needs to find a `patsy' for the death of Myrtle so 
that the death can be solved and he can stay at Hogworts.  He stakes 
out Hagrid's spider lair and `discovers' him.

Meanwhile Headmaster Armando Dippet is facing a possible catastrophe 
during his tenure.  A student is petrified and there is a rumor that 
the Chamber of Secrets has been opened.  Then Riddle turns up with 
Hagrid who does not deny raising the acromantula.  Hagrid is blamed 
for the death, expelled, and the Headmaster tries to write-off the 
Chamber as just a rumor.  The headmaster then secretly waits for 
another death but it never comes so he convinces himself that Hagrid 
was responsible.

The facts do not ring true to Dumbledore who, although he has to 
agree that Hagrid is guilty of *something*, does not think he or the 
acromantula are guilty of murder.  He therefore arranges a position 
for Hagrid to be trained as gameskeeper and be kept close to Hogworts 
where he can keep an eye on him (he probably even suspects that 
Hagrid is half-giant by this point, too).  This is accepted because 
Dumbledore threatens to vocally raise objections and keep the case 
open and the Chamber rumor going.

How is that (besides not concise)?

A winded Animagi_Raven (pant, pant) asks if someone can go get Madam 
Hooch, please, to get me down now?







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