CrouchJr teaching.Trelawney's first prediction/Voldemort's immortality

[Denise Jurski]

No: HPFGUIDX 44015

Candlewick asked

>Ok, if this is the case, and I agree with your logic,
>by the way, so...why did Fake!Moody teach Harry (and
>all his other students, presumably) how to resist the
>Imperious Curse?  Voldemort tried to use it on Harry
>in the graveyard and Harry was able to fight it
>because he'd been given so much practice from
>Crouch!Moody.  Was Crouch!Moody just trying to be a
>good teacher in order not to blow his cover?

In response to: --- > I'm with you that
> Quirrel could have been
> a good DADA teacher before his Voldy-years. But as
> to if he continued to
> teach as well after, I'm left wondering this: What
> would be his motivation
> for teaching DADA well, after his Voldification?
> He'd have to teach it
> passably, at least, to remain at Hogwarts and keep
> his cover. But I'd say he
> has a lot of motivation to be a poor teacher. After
> all, the more students
> who are good at defending against the dark arts, the
> higher the danger to
> Voldy and the Death Eaters. One of Quirrel's
> students might just be the next
> super-auror who gets his start under his tutelage.
> Best to keep them less
> well informed, for his boss anyway.


Now me again:

That's a good question. The way I see it, there  could be several answers.
First, he could have been under a lot of scrutiny by Dumbledore. Not because
Albus suspected him, but because he knew how very important it was for Harry
and Co. to have the skills Moody/CrouchJr was sent to teach them. So it
could have been just as Candlewick suggests, to keep his cover.

But I think there might be more to it. Crouch Jr. isn't quite sane any
longer. After spending a year in Azkaban, then however many years in hiding
in his hated father's home, knowing that his mother died in prision for his
sake his mind is most certainly a bit addled. There may have been an element
of Hubris involved. "I can teach as good as the real Moody can!" Or "It
doesn't matter what I teach the lad, he will loose because we are great."

Now onto Trewlany:

Phyllis added, after the great theory about Trelawney predicting Harry would
be Voldemort's downfall:

>I like this theory a lot, but it leads me to wonder who told
>Voldemort about Trelawney's prediction (presumably it wasn't
>Trelawney herself, unless there's a *lot* we don't know about her)?
>Pettigrew is the best possibility, IMO.

I like this point! It also paints Peter, IMO, as a lot more Evil!Pettigrew
than he would have us believe. He would have Harry and via him, we readers,
believe he only turned to Voldemort because he was afraid that Voldemort
would win, and would get him anyway. He was only trying to protect himself.
But if he did, not only betray the Potters by giving away the secret, but
also by giving Voldemort reason to kill Harry in the first place Peter, as a
lad, was full-on evil. There was no reason to roll over on that prediction.
If he had any loyalty, or warmth, or caring for his supposed best-friends,
he could have simply sat on that. But I'm with Phyllis, I bet he didn't.


Now Phyllis again:


>I also think that Voldemort already knows that he lost his
>immortality as part of the rebirthing process.  IIRC, in the
>graveyard scene in GoF, he tells the DEs that he is willing to accept
>a mortal body before chasing immortality again.  So I don't think
>this is the basis for the look of triumph in Dumbledore's eyes - I
>think Dumbledore is triumphant because he realizes something that
>Voldemort *doesn't* realize, and it has something to do with the use
>of Harry's blood (because it's after he hears about Harry's blood
>being used in the potion that Dumbledore exhibits that mysterious
>triumphant look).

Now that is a very good point. I had never put much thought into that
statement of Voldemorts. Any thoughts, then, on what it is that Harry's
blood is going to do to Voldemort?


Denise