[HPforGrownups] Neville and his parents / Lucius theories

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No: HPFGUIDX 44362

> ezzie speculated:
> 
> > If Neville was 
> > standing in the chamber at the end of PS/SS and Voldemort said 
> > to him "Join me.  Together we'll bring back your parents."  What 
> > do you think Neville would do?
> > 
> > I think he'd give old snake face a big thumbs up.

Then Amy Z wrote:

> I lean against.  One of the few things that has been established 
> about Neville's character is that he has a strong sense of 
> integrity.  I think he'll do fine if tempted by Voldemort, whether by 
> a promise to restore his parents to normality or anything else.  
> Time, of course, will tell . . . <glances impatiently at calendar>

I personally think that Neville would tell Voldemort to go to hell, or some 
similar place.  I don't think Neville's as stupid and gullible as all that.  I 
don't care what Draco said, I think Neville's plenty brave enough to be in 
Gryffindor.  Well, obviously the sorting hat agreed.

> I must point out that it is only in the imagination of Steven Kloves 
> that Voldemort tempts *anyone* with the return of his parents.  JKR, 
> thank goodness, wrote nothing so trite.  Voldemort urges Harry to 
> join him, but all he offers him is to spare his own life, not to 
> bring back his parents (and there's no indication that Harry's 
> tempted even to buy his life with the Stone).

Amen, amen.  Steven Kloves was using a George Lucas line there, not JKR. :)  

Fyre Wood writes:

> I think that Lucius got his wealth either by inheritance or from the 
> people he killed as a death eater. What's better than killing off 
> innocent people and then stealing the keys to their life savings, or 
> the money itself. Better make a clean job of it.

Ah, you bring up an interesting point.  One I have been pondering for quite 
some time.  Lucius, I suppose, could be just another cold blooded killer.  But, 
he seems the type who's out for himself and no other.  Like someone who doesn't 
just kill for fun, but for his own benefit.  Could he even have taken 
hostages?  Say, a whole family?  As in "give me all your gold or I'll kill one 
family member a day until they're all dead."  Picture this:  A good clean 
wizard with a large family[say, for convenience sake, Arthur Weasley :)] comes 
home from work one day during Voldemort's reign.  He finds the dark mark over 
his door.  Rushes inside, finds one of his children dead. A ransom note of 
sorts has been left. He has twenty-four hours to empty his vault into Lucius's 
or more of his children die.  Perhaps he's not fast enough, and another does 
die.  

Now, I confess this is a stretch, why not just kill them all and be done with 
it, then steal the gold.  But maybe it's not as simple to get gold from a 
Gringott's vault as that.  Perhaps only the owner of the vault can retrieve the 
gold.  Perhaps precautions were taken to avoid DE's stealing gold from 
victims.  

It may not hold water, but it would help explain why the Weasley's are so 
poor.  Arthur frequently demonstrates that his family is worth far more to him 
than money.  As in a nice family trip rather than a vault filled with gold.

Richelle
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ezzie speculated:

> If Neville was 
> standing in the chamber at the end of PS/SS and Voldemort said 
> to him "Join me.  Together we'll bring back your parents."  What 
> do you think Neville would do?
> 
> I think he'd give old snake face a big thumbs up.

I lean against.  One of the few things that has been established 
about Neville's character is that he has a strong sense of 
integrity.  I think he'll do fine if tempted by Voldemort, whether by 
a promise to restore his parents to normality or anything else.  
Time, of course, will tell . . . <glances impatiently at calendar>

I must point out that it is only in the imagination of Steven Kloves 
that Voldemort tempts *anyone* with the return of his parents.  JKR, 
thank goodness, wrote nothing so trite.  Voldemort urges Harry to 
join him, but all he offers him is to spare his own life, not to 
bring back his parents (and there's no indication that Harry's 
tempted even to buy his life with the Stone).

Constantly vigilant in guarding the wall between Canon and the CTMNBN,

Amy Z



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